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Do you Know Your God?
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The word “know” can carry a wide range of meanings. For example, a person Who had never met him might say: “Yes, I know David Cameron. He is the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.” On the other hand, another person who has, on numerous occasions, seen the Prime Minister might acknowledge: “No, I don’t know Mr. Cameron.”
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I am reading this thread and cannot quite get my head round the fact that the OP was about knowing God, and now it seems to have gravitated towards Christmas, Santa Claus, the Watchtower Organisation and even to a little mudslinging.
Surely a person is entitled to his/her belief without having to state every time that he/she is a believer and have to battle...
Surely a person is entitled to his/her belief without having to state every time that he/she is a believer and have to battle...
12:46 Fri 26th Oct 2012
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To all those trying to reason with "Goodlife", sadly I think you're wasting your time and intelligence on a blinkered dogmatic person who is incapable of reasoned intelligent debate and only picks out and comments on posts that tie in with his/her agenda.
"Goodlife" - I invite you to comment on that.
"Goodlife" - I invite you to comment on that.
Nothing worthwhile eh goodlife?
Brahms
Professor Brian Cox
Simon Napier Bell
Friedrich Nietzsche
Ivan Pavlov
Christopher Robin Milne
Bertrand Russell
Henry Salt
Jean-Paul Sartre
Clive Sinclair
Dennis Skinner
Linus Torvalds
Alan Turing
James D. Watson
Bengt Westerberg
Steve Wozniak
Mark Zuckerberg
and many, many more. Nothing worthwhile my Yabbie.
Brahms
Professor Brian Cox
Simon Napier Bell
Friedrich Nietzsche
Ivan Pavlov
Christopher Robin Milne
Bertrand Russell
Henry Salt
Jean-Paul Sartre
Clive Sinclair
Dennis Skinner
Linus Torvalds
Alan Turing
James D. Watson
Bengt Westerberg
Steve Wozniak
Mark Zuckerberg
and many, many more. Nothing worthwhile my Yabbie.
@ Sandy No surprise that those with religion wish to paint the non-believers with the same brush of unreason that they exhibit. They would like nothing more than to validate their own irrationality with a false equivalence, and of course it makes them feel good as well.
Sorry to disappoint you Sandy, but the scientific method, the application of logic, critical analysis and thinking - these are not another form of religion. They are powerful tools to explore our universe.
No one that I know of "worships" science and logic, but they are a lot more useful as tools for understanding our existence and our relationship to the rest of the world than religion.
Most scientists I know of are able to critically analyse the evidence. Should that evidence change, the rational people of this world will adapt accordingly. Those with religion have much more of a problem.
Sorry to disappoint you Sandy, but the scientific method, the application of logic, critical analysis and thinking - these are not another form of religion. They are powerful tools to explore our universe.
No one that I know of "worships" science and logic, but they are a lot more useful as tools for understanding our existence and our relationship to the rest of the world than religion.
Most scientists I know of are able to critically analyse the evidence. Should that evidence change, the rational people of this world will adapt accordingly. Those with religion have much more of a problem.
Did you want to believe lies or would you prefer truth?
Plautus has made allegations which he would like you all to believe. What he has said is lies. Still, if you prefer to believe in Santa Claus then you have that choice.
Here are the facts. Taken from archives but also confirmed by Wikipedia:
Regarding the allegations of Miracle Wheat. Plautus stated that Russell made a profit from this so called Miracle Wheat, by its alleged discoverer K B Stoner of Virginia. False.
The Brooklyn Daily Eagle published articles accusing Russell of gaining profit . Many critics insisted that Russell and deceived and defrauded many by selling the supposedly advanced strain of wheat for $50 per bushel, far above the average cost of wheat at the time. Throughout 1912 and 1913 the Eagle continued to report on this alleged fraud. Russell sued the Eagle for libel, but lost. Prior to entering the court, the Eagle declared that at the trial that it would show that Pastor Russell’s religious cult was nothing more than a money-making scheme. Russsell defended himself publicly and in writing, claiming that the wheat was donated to the Watchtower Society and sold for $1 per pound. Mr Stoner routinely sold it for $1.25 per pound. An offer was made a year later that any who were dissatisfied with their purchase would claim a refund. No one did. According to official records, gross receipts from the fundraiser totalled about $1800 of which Russell did not get a penny and the Society itself made no claim for the wheat on its own knowledge and the money received went as a donation into Christian Missionary work.
With reference to Plautus’ comments regarding birthdays and Christmas. These are proved to be pagan celebrations and have no connection with True Christianity. Many secular authorities acknowledge this.
The cross symbolically used by the churches to represent the death of Christ is actually a pagan symbol going back to Egyptian and Babylonish religions. The translation of the Greek work Stauros, is upright stake, or tree.
Nowhere in the Bible is it mentioned that Jesus is God. The trinity is not a Biblical teaching. This was brought about by Emperor Theodosius. He established the creed of the Council of Nicaea as the standard for his realm and convened the Council of Constantinople in 381 C.E. to clarify the formula.
That council agreed to place the holy spirit on the same level as God and Christ. For the first time, Christendom’s Trinity began to come into focus.
Plautus has made allegations which he would like you all to believe. What he has said is lies. Still, if you prefer to believe in Santa Claus then you have that choice.
Here are the facts. Taken from archives but also confirmed by Wikipedia:
Regarding the allegations of Miracle Wheat. Plautus stated that Russell made a profit from this so called Miracle Wheat, by its alleged discoverer K B Stoner of Virginia. False.
The Brooklyn Daily Eagle published articles accusing Russell of gaining profit . Many critics insisted that Russell and deceived and defrauded many by selling the supposedly advanced strain of wheat for $50 per bushel, far above the average cost of wheat at the time. Throughout 1912 and 1913 the Eagle continued to report on this alleged fraud. Russell sued the Eagle for libel, but lost. Prior to entering the court, the Eagle declared that at the trial that it would show that Pastor Russell’s religious cult was nothing more than a money-making scheme. Russsell defended himself publicly and in writing, claiming that the wheat was donated to the Watchtower Society and sold for $1 per pound. Mr Stoner routinely sold it for $1.25 per pound. An offer was made a year later that any who were dissatisfied with their purchase would claim a refund. No one did. According to official records, gross receipts from the fundraiser totalled about $1800 of which Russell did not get a penny and the Society itself made no claim for the wheat on its own knowledge and the money received went as a donation into Christian Missionary work.
With reference to Plautus’ comments regarding birthdays and Christmas. These are proved to be pagan celebrations and have no connection with True Christianity. Many secular authorities acknowledge this.
The cross symbolically used by the churches to represent the death of Christ is actually a pagan symbol going back to Egyptian and Babylonish religions. The translation of the Greek work Stauros, is upright stake, or tree.
Nowhere in the Bible is it mentioned that Jesus is God. The trinity is not a Biblical teaching. This was brought about by Emperor Theodosius. He established the creed of the Council of Nicaea as the standard for his realm and convened the Council of Constantinople in 381 C.E. to clarify the formula.
That council agreed to place the holy spirit on the same level as God and Christ. For the first time, Christendom’s Trinity began to come into focus.
"Obviously Such individuals may toil endlessly and tire themselves out; yet, they accomplish virtually nothing truly worthwhile. How true with atheists."
'Toil endlessly'? At what exactly?
The cornerstone of atheism is not a belief, it's an absence of a belief - so what does this 'toil' entail exactly?
My 'toil' in religious terms is zero, and i am grateful to have that free time to do other things - including debating with you goodlife.
'Toil endlessly'? At what exactly?
The cornerstone of atheism is not a belief, it's an absence of a belief - so what does this 'toil' entail exactly?
My 'toil' in religious terms is zero, and i am grateful to have that free time to do other things - including debating with you goodlife.
andy-hughes
//The cornerstone of atheism is not a belief, it's an absence of a belief - so what does this 'toil' entail exactly?//
Of course Atheism is a belief. It is a belief – A belief that there is no God.
And therefore, you have to keep working on this belief, otherwise you might find something to disprove your Theory.
//The cornerstone of atheism is not a belief, it's an absence of a belief - so what does this 'toil' entail exactly?//
Of course Atheism is a belief. It is a belief – A belief that there is no God.
And therefore, you have to keep working on this belief, otherwise you might find something to disprove your Theory.
Sandy, I do understand what you mean by the 'ungodly' my point was that you do not seem to be aware of the implications of the use of that term. By implying that god doesn't exist you could go straight to hell, without even a holiday in limbo. No need to worry though as it is very unlikely that you will go to heaven or hell.
@Goodlife - There you go again, redefining words to better suit your own ends.
Atheism is a lack of belief in a supernatural deity - a rejection of the notion of gods.
From wiki
"Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist"
You dont get to make stuff up just to further your own agenda Goodlife. Thats not how it works.
Atheism is a lack of belief in a supernatural deity - a rejection of the notion of gods.
From wiki
"Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist"
You dont get to make stuff up just to further your own agenda Goodlife. Thats not how it works.
Goodlife, the claim that atheism, the antithesis of belief, is indeed a belief assumes that God exists, but since there is no evidence to support his existence, there is no reason to believe that he does. Therefore atheism is not a ‘belief’ – it is an absence of belief and it is the default position for every human being. All babies are born without belief – and none believe until other people start messing with their minds.
goodlife - I think you are mixing up your own way of the world with mine.
As a Christian, you must battle every day to try and understand why your loving God allows such dreadful things to happen to his chosen People on an hourly basis.
I have no such battle - Sugar happens.
If anything were ever to come along to disprove my absence of belief, i am open-minded enough to accept it - but let's face it, there is nothing there now is there?
As a Christian, you must battle every day to try and understand why your loving God allows such dreadful things to happen to his chosen People on an hourly basis.
I have no such battle - Sugar happens.
If anything were ever to come along to disprove my absence of belief, i am open-minded enough to accept it - but let's face it, there is nothing there now is there?
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