Why attribute anything to the God of Abraham?

[naomi24]

Down to basics here. The only record we presume we have of his existence is the Bible – and since that book is full of contradictions, it follows that, as evidence, it must be unreliable. So why?

[vascop]

Because if certain people want to believe something is true, they will ignore any evidence to the contrary. So they just cherry pick from the Bible and leave out bits that don't fit what they want to believe.

[joko]

Habit... upbringing... fear of change... fear of
Difference...
It all amounts to a crutch
People fell better with something or someone to rely on.
Its a bit like the simpering mother of a teen thug who blindly defends an supports her son because despite the evidence she believes that deep down there is a good boy, and that none of the bad stuff is his fault.;
Same way over zealous religious people believe that god is kind and good despite the evidence to the contrary... according to the bibleanyway

[Theland]

Well that book that is so inconsistant plainly predicts what is going on right now in Israel.

[plautus]

Nice one! Let them pick the bones out of that!

[vascop]

Theland
//Well that book that is so inconsistant plainly predicts what is going on right now in Israel.//
plautus
//Nice one! Let them pick the bones out of that!//

See what I mean?

[beso]

The Bible didn't predict what is going on in Israel. It encouraged people to set up a situation where conflict is inevitable.

The fulfilment of the creation of Israel was simply people responding to the suggestion put in their heads by the Bible. The conflict there is also a product of their stupid religious arrogance not a prediction of the future.

Indeed the Bible, its prequels and sequels are to blame for the sorry state of the MiddleEast the extent of the religous extremeism going on there.

These stupid zombies eagerly anticipate the coming of Armageddon and a working very hard to achieve it despite the efforts of the civilised world to make them see sense.

The Abrahamic religions are a blight on this planet.

[naomi24]

//The fulfilment of the creation of Israel was simply people responding to the suggestion put in their heads by the Bible.//

The 'bones' would appear to have been 'picked'.

I can understand people thinking there must be 'something', but I simply do not understand why they think that 'something' is this mythical God. Look at his record. He was horrible!! Petty and spiteful and cruel and weak - not to mention arrogant. However, the faithful are led to believe quite differently and since there is only one written record upon which to base any conclusion, it can only mean religion is a lie. If there is 'something' common sense must surely dictate it has to be far greater than the self-obsessed psychopathic entity described in the bible.

[aelmpvw]

i suspect that you're trying to wind goodlife up

[naomi24]

^^ I don't 'try' to wind anyone up. If plain common sense winds them up, there's not much I can do about that.

[beso]

Definitely not a wind up.

Naomi's description is perfectly familiar to anyone who has actually read the Bible. Indeed Naomi has given a conservative description of Abraham's Monster.

[chakka35]

I agree, beso: naomi is being too kind! It is constant wonder to me why everyone who has ever read of him does not condemn that God fellow out of hand. But worse than that: people actually worship him.

What would we think of someone who worshipped a combination of Hitler, Stalin and Sadaam with their crimes against humanity multiplied a million times? Would we think such a person evil or mad or both?

Would some worshipper here like to explain? Should be interesting.

[aelmpvw]

it was a joke naomi24 ... lighten up

[naomi24]

aelmpvw, oh, right. I missed that then. Maybe if you'd hinted that it was a joke I wouldn't have taken it seriously.

;o)

^^ See? :o)

[aelmpvw]

It's not my fault that you're immune to irony naomi24

[naomi24]

Ahh, it's irony. OK.

[seadogg]

It seems fatuous to some people that the bible be taken as one document when it was clearly written by many hands. The Gospels in particular, seem a work apart .

[plautus]

At last some common sense.

[beso]

Even the cannonical gospels are inconsistent with each other. They should have got a better editor.

Back then every man and his dog were spouting stories that they claimed were insired by God. In fact they were noting but their own bigotted prejudices.

The Kabala, Bible, Quran and all the other collections of supposed wisdom are nothng more than the musing of the ignorant.

[Truthabounds]

Well Naomi, here I am in response to your invitation in another thread.

Bible contradictions. Hmm. Usually the first thing people pick on when they want to criticise the Bible. What contradictions do you refer to? Whatever they are I can show that they are not contradictions. As I have previously said, this is where deep study of the Bible comes in, not just surface study.

The Bible is acknowledged as the greatest book of all times. Why? Because of its antiquity, its total circulation, the number of languages into which it has been translated, its surpassing greatness as a literary masterpiece, and its overwhelming importance to all mankind. The Bible has survived more violent controversy than any other book, hated as it is by many enemies.

Perhaps, though, it is the conduct of Christendom that has posed the greatest obstacle to people’s accepting the Bible as God’s Word. Christendom claims to follow the Bible. Yet, its conduct has brought great reproach on the Bible and on the very name Christian. As the apostle Peter foretold, the way of the truth has been “spoken of abusively.”—2 Peter 2:2.

[naomi24]

Truthabounds, I have no doubt that you would find an explanation for every contradiction the bible contains, but in saying that you are, in fact, agreeing that there are contradictions. My opinion doesn’t arise from ‘surface study’, but from studying the material from an alternative point of view with an unbiased eye and without a pre-conceived agenda. I read what's there - I don't interpret it, or ignore the unsavoury, to suit.