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This is supposed to be an R & S section. However until the editor decides to do something about the obvious prejudice displayed by some, this cannot be a genuine site for discussion on religion.
In my experience I have found that people who say nasty things are generally nasty people.
In my experience I have found that people who say nasty things are generally nasty people.
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If you would like this section to be about your religion, then you must ask a question about it. Your questions are often charged with the intention of having the very debate you're now having a flounce about.
If you'd asked something like "Why was Lazarus returned from the grave?" or "What fundamental differences can we draw from the 5 pillars of Islam vs...
If you'd asked something like "Why was Lazarus returned from the grave?" or "What fundamental differences can we draw from the 5 pillars of Islam vs...
09:53 Thu 22nd Nov 2012
Lazy@//Faith rejects scientific evidence, stifles debate, discourages inquiry, promotes inequality, and encourages its adherents to lie and dissemble in their efforts to promote their faith.//
No. I dont reject science, I am quite happy to debate and I dont discourage honest interest nor do I believe in inequality. Everyone is equal regardless of nationality, social, educational environment.
What I have discovered with a lot of people (not necessarily on this site) who believe in evolution and science are the ones who have a closed mind. It is evolution or nothing. Science has all the answers etc. Not so. Obviously many animals and plants have had to evolve to survive the earths changing climate and as for science, the Bible has it all anyway.
It all depends on how far, and how deep you want to study the Bible.
Just you can study science in depth, you can study the Bible in depth.
But for those with a closed mind that would be impossible.
No. I dont reject science, I am quite happy to debate and I dont discourage honest interest nor do I believe in inequality. Everyone is equal regardless of nationality, social, educational environment.
What I have discovered with a lot of people (not necessarily on this site) who believe in evolution and science are the ones who have a closed mind. It is evolution or nothing. Science has all the answers etc. Not so. Obviously many animals and plants have had to evolve to survive the earths changing climate and as for science, the Bible has it all anyway.
It all depends on how far, and how deep you want to study the Bible.
Just you can study science in depth, you can study the Bible in depth.
But for those with a closed mind that would be impossible.
How far and how deep you study the bible? Whats to study? The term is an oxymoron, at least as far as I am concerned. Maybe language students might derive some knowledge of ancient tongues and dialects. Some history students might have fun trying to place biblical events into contemporaneous history, and there are those who study the bible to demonstrate the contradictions between gospels and the verity of the gospels and books themselves. Thats it though. The bible offers no scientific truths.No prophetic visions that have come to pass.Not even advice for living in the world really - it has become outmoded - humanity and culture have moved on.
What truths or facts can the bible offer about the process of evolution that science does not? And to concede as you do that evolution explains some things is to damn it with faint phrase. In contrast, the bible explains nothing at all. It might make claims, but it offers no explanation.In any event, previous discussions have shown that, where biblical narrative conflicts with scientific evidence, you will reject the science in favour of the biblical narrative. Thats the nature of your faith.
As for you considering all to be equal, regardless of gender, faith, ethnic origin etc - that is great, and you are to be applauded for being a reasonable member of the human race in the 21st century.
But if you are as fairminded as you claim, you would be an exception to the rule as far as the more fundamentalist believers of religion are concerned.
What truths or facts can the bible offer about the process of evolution that science does not? And to concede as you do that evolution explains some things is to damn it with faint phrase. In contrast, the bible explains nothing at all. It might make claims, but it offers no explanation.In any event, previous discussions have shown that, where biblical narrative conflicts with scientific evidence, you will reject the science in favour of the biblical narrative. Thats the nature of your faith.
As for you considering all to be equal, regardless of gender, faith, ethnic origin etc - that is great, and you are to be applauded for being a reasonable member of the human race in the 21st century.
But if you are as fairminded as you claim, you would be an exception to the rule as far as the more fundamentalist believers of religion are concerned.
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If you're all so spiritual on here why don't you help rather than putting someone down all the time. It seems to me if you don't like someone's point of view [other than your own] then it must be wrong. I've even witnessed you fighting amongst yourself on here [so your argument that religion causes wars dosen't really hold water.] How about showing a little respect for your
fellow man.
fellow man.
@cupid. Goodlife offered nothing apart from cut and paste evangelism straight out of the JW textbook. They offered no spiritual argument, were unprepared to contribute to any kind of discussion or defence of their views, except to whine when their logic was shown to be faulty.
This is an R&S site - an open forum for discussion - not a platform for uncontested evangelism.
People who evangelise - or post unevidenced assertions at variance with science, people who promote religions or lifestyles that are discriminatory or that support fundamentalist actions, even indirectly, those that plead that somehow religion or faith should just be automatically respected and given a free pass, an exemption from challenge -they are deserving of no respect.
This is an R&S site - an open forum for discussion - not a platform for uncontested evangelism.
People who evangelise - or post unevidenced assertions at variance with science, people who promote religions or lifestyles that are discriminatory or that support fundamentalist actions, even indirectly, those that plead that somehow religion or faith should just be automatically respected and given a free pass, an exemption from challenge -they are deserving of no respect.
Truthabounds, // It all depends on how far, and how deep you want to study the Bible. Just you can study science in depth, you can study the Bible in depth. But for those with a closed mind that would be impossible. //
I don’t have a closed mind, and I’ve studied the bible in some depth. That has led me to conclude that the star player was not what he is alleged to be. If you are open minded, please come along to this thread and give me an answer.
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I don’t have a closed mind, and I’ve studied the bible in some depth. That has led me to conclude that the star player was not what he is alleged to be. If you are open minded, please come along to this thread and give me an answer.
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Bit confused by Cupid, are you saying that if someone of faith comes and states a view or in the case of Goodlife, someone elses view, no one should challenge it?
As you are aware there are people who have completely opposite views and in an open forum, they shouldn't state them? Problem is its totally hypocritical, isn't it? People of faith always state, I'm right, your wrong. Maybe not in those words but that what they mean. If your of faith, that's fine and I think you'll find that no one here, except those of different faiths, would say you don't have the right to your faith, however what so often happens is that people make a statement from faith and when challenged cannot, support, explain or justify the statement when challenged.
I refer you to the "Christian right" in America who maintain and argue that they are in the hands of god and were then vehement in their hatred of Obama when he won their election. When it was pointed out by their own belief system, it must be "gods will" that he won, all of a sudden its the devils work.
This is the way all faiths work today if it doesn't fit the paradigm, then you simply change it, however if an atheist challenges it, as we are more and more likely to in this day and age, we are portrayed as the aggressors.
Can you honestly tell me that the catholic church, doesn't deserved to vilified and laughed at or better still disbanded?
As you are aware there are people who have completely opposite views and in an open forum, they shouldn't state them? Problem is its totally hypocritical, isn't it? People of faith always state, I'm right, your wrong. Maybe not in those words but that what they mean. If your of faith, that's fine and I think you'll find that no one here, except those of different faiths, would say you don't have the right to your faith, however what so often happens is that people make a statement from faith and when challenged cannot, support, explain or justify the statement when challenged.
I refer you to the "Christian right" in America who maintain and argue that they are in the hands of god and were then vehement in their hatred of Obama when he won their election. When it was pointed out by their own belief system, it must be "gods will" that he won, all of a sudden its the devils work.
This is the way all faiths work today if it doesn't fit the paradigm, then you simply change it, however if an atheist challenges it, as we are more and more likely to in this day and age, we are portrayed as the aggressors.
Can you honestly tell me that the catholic church, doesn't deserved to vilified and laughed at or better still disbanded?
I felt sorry for him, that's all, maybe that sounds a bit patronising, but over the years as a christian myself I have learnt to get on with other faiths. I am a christian first and foremost. what denomination I am dosen't matter. I have met jw's and they are human beings just like you or I [perhaps a bit misguided]. where i live when I first moved in my road and several others in the vicinity were visited by jws. They believe they are doing the right thing. How would anyone ever come to know God if we all sat at home on our behinds. A particular friend of mine at the time was going through a bad time because he had just lost his father. And he was fine before becoming involved with the jws. I really don't understand how it works because I go to my church through choice, not out of indoctrination, fear or use it as a crutch.
Perhaps more should be done to help him and others like him. That does not make all religion bad. I wouldn't get through the stuff life throws at me if I did not have God in my life and the freedom to share with other like minded people. I hope you can make sense of this because I'm not good at explaining myself. And there is no harm in evangelising as that is what we are meant to do, to carry on where jesus's disciples left off.
Perhaps more should be done to help him and others like him. That does not make all religion bad. I wouldn't get through the stuff life throws at me if I did not have God in my life and the freedom to share with other like minded people. I hope you can make sense of this because I'm not good at explaining myself. And there is no harm in evangelising as that is what we are meant to do, to carry on where jesus's disciples left off.
Cupid, // I wouldn't get through the stuff life throws at me if I did not have God in my life….//
… then …
//I go to my church through choice, not out of indoctrination, fear or use it as a crutch.//
How does that work then? First you need a crutch, and then you don’t need the one you’ve found.
With all due respect, you, like many others here, defend religion simply because it is religion - without a thought of what that particular flavour of religion is promoting. Would you rather your child die than receive a life-saving blood transfusion? If you would, then carry on defending Jehovah’s Witnesses. If not then stop with the sycophancy and be honest enough to say so.
… then …
//I go to my church through choice, not out of indoctrination, fear or use it as a crutch.//
How does that work then? First you need a crutch, and then you don’t need the one you’ve found.
With all due respect, you, like many others here, defend religion simply because it is religion - without a thought of what that particular flavour of religion is promoting. Would you rather your child die than receive a life-saving blood transfusion? If you would, then carry on defending Jehovah’s Witnesses. If not then stop with the sycophancy and be honest enough to say so.
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