Can Jehovah Really Be The Almighty, Omnipotent, Creator?

[naomi24]

And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.

Judges 1:19

[naomi24]

Clanad, your post looks impressive, but the targumim were nothing more than explanations of scripture given by rabbis – and let’s face it – they would say that, wouldn’t they.

[naomi24]

Goodlife, //If you tell someone you will help him to do something or offer to perform some service, do you always fulfill your word.//

Yes. Jehovah promised his help, but failed miserably to fulfil that promise. Does that make me more reliable than Jehovah? It would appear so.

[Clanad]

You tell me, naomi... (congratulations on knowing the plural of Targum, by the way). To say so, though, misunderstands the importance of the truth to the writers

Seems more logical, considering the history of the Midrash and Tanakh that the Targumim are more analogous to the different versions of our modern Bible... NIV, NASB, etc. A way of communicating important truths, in my humble opinon...

[cupid04]

Jehovah is our strength,
And he shall be our song
We shall o'ercome at length
Although our foes be strong
In vain does satan then oppose
For God is stronger than his foes.

The Lord our refuge is
And ever will remain
Since he has made us his
He will our cause maintain
In vain our enemies oppose
For God is stronger than our foes.

Our God our Father is
Our names are on his heart
We ever will be his
He ne'er from us will part
In vain the mightiest powers oppose
For God is stronger than his foes.

[Samuel Barnard]

[Spoonboy]

Chariots of iron beat, chariots of fire any day.

[naomi24]

Clanad, //A way of communicating important truths,//

Once again the bible proves inconsistent and contradictory. Nevertheless, as always, an explanation – albeit yet another drawn from other men’s ever-fertile imaginations – is produced. A way of communicating, certainly, but important truths? No - purely conjecture.

Cupid, If I didn’t know better, I’d have sworn we’d been visited by Goodlife again.

//For God is stronger than our foes.//

Shame he wasn’t stronger than his foes. ;o)

[jomifl]

Cupid,
Fair words do not an argument make
Whilst sceptics do the piddle take
Anon.

[goodlife]

Solomon says, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.

Thorns are not satisfactory fuel. They flame up quickly, but are just as quickly burned to ashes. They do not last long enough to finish cooking what is in the pot, so they do not accomplish the task for which the fire is lit. Their showy, noisy, blazing crackling is futile and vain. And so are the frivolous gigglings and follies of the fool.

They help no one to advance in the serious task of making a good name that God will remember, (Eccl. 7:6)

[vulcan42]

Eccl. 7:6, is that Eccles?

[LazyGun]

Who or what are the thorns in that allegory, goodlife?

And who, in their right mind, would attempt to make a fire solely from thorns? I mean its just nonsense. Me, I would burn the material the thorns are connected to - that should give a good fire, sufficient to boil some water for a nice cup of tea. Better still, I would find a material sans thorns but good for burning - using logic and reason :)

And from your last sentence, it sounds a bit like your god suffers from memory problems- I can offer some memory improving tips, if you want?....

And are you sure you want to use Solomon as some sort of example? Didn't he go off the rails a bit in later life? sexual indulgence, power mad, that kind of thing?

[RATTER15]

Goodlife, why do you insist on talking absolute nonsense? if you want to be taken seriously stop copying and pasting text from the Bible and watchtower.

Would you believe anything that I gave as fact out of the "Easter Bunny Book for Children"? No? then maybe you can see how futile your copying and pasting is to Atheists.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Solomon? "Didn't he go off the rails a bit in later life?".
He had a lot of foreign wives, presumably for political reasons as much as for sexual gratificatiion. And he had the good sense not to offend his wives and (more importantly his in-laws) by forbidding them from practicing their own religion. Naturally all this Asherah etc. worship upset the blokes with the long beards and the glaring eyes and whoever wrote Kings 1.

[LazyGun]

@v_e Thanks for the info. To be clear, I was not passing judgement, just commenting that I thought i had heard somewhere that the faithful considered Solomon a bit of a rogue :)

[vetuste_ennemi]

The judgment of Lazygun? Has a ring to it.

[LazyGun]

Iain Banks will be pleased then :)

[mibn2cweus]

//Solomon says, so is the laughter of the fool: this also is vanity.//

Solomon says, "Touch your nose."

[naomi24]

Wasn't that Simon? Close though. Same book. ;o)

[mibn2cweus]

*snap*

Oh well . . . can't win 'em all. :o)

[naomi24]

Different strokes ... and all that. ;o)

[joggerjayne]

Well, no. Obviously the almighty, omnipotent creator is the great Bondye.