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Why Is The Bible's View Of God Good News?
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I have been invited to a talk entitled " Three in one ! Why is the Bible's View of God Good News? "
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Do you not see what appears to one person to be good news may not be viewed as good news by another. Ordinarily, a bearer of good news is received with a hearty welcome, and an ear eager to hear the news would be turned toward him. However, the Bible foretold that faithless people of this world would not view the good news. simple, but do you see the end.(Matt 24:14)
// Yes because the side of religion has nothing intelligent to counter the sound arguments put forward by atheists. //
As I've often said, it isn't a fair fight. The reigious are handicapped by having to argue the case for the nonsensical and illogical.
Arguing against it is as easy as falling off a log.
As I've often said, it isn't a fair fight. The reigious are handicapped by having to argue the case for the nonsensical and illogical.
Arguing against it is as easy as falling off a log.
@Goodlife - Do you deliberately intend to insult the intelligence of your readers and respondents to your threads, or is it purely accidental?
Why must you always question whether your respondents are myopic, or merely too stupid to see?
"Do you not see what appears to one person to be good news may not be viewed as good news by another."
How can you fail not to see the unintential irony of you posting that sentiment? How can fail to be aware that what you consider "good news" is, first, not news at all in the sense that you have no evidence or fact to support it, and second, as you so correctly point out, perhaps not good news to believers in other faiths, or none?
And why do you continually simply reference a scriptural passage? If it has relevance, repost it here so we can see for ourselves. I have no desire to search for the specific piece of ineffable wisdom you seek to bestow upon the rest of us.....
Why must you always question whether your respondents are myopic, or merely too stupid to see?
"Do you not see what appears to one person to be good news may not be viewed as good news by another."
How can you fail not to see the unintential irony of you posting that sentiment? How can fail to be aware that what you consider "good news" is, first, not news at all in the sense that you have no evidence or fact to support it, and second, as you so correctly point out, perhaps not good news to believers in other faiths, or none?
And why do you continually simply reference a scriptural passage? If it has relevance, repost it here so we can see for ourselves. I have no desire to search for the specific piece of ineffable wisdom you seek to bestow upon the rest of us.....
Well depends what tack you want to take here, playing devils advocate you can easily show tat the bibles veiw of god is petty vindictive and genocidal and as such has informed a massively bloodthirsty religious history.
If you prefer to be able to walk out the building in safety you can go for the rules for life approach combining the teachings from 10 commandants, Leviticus and New testament parables to show that the bible offers a structure for living that is relevant and informs values that most of us want to live in a world led by even though we realise that's not always the case.
The more sophisticated approach of course would be to present it as the bad news approach and then spin it to prove that's good news and real world relevent
If you prefer to be able to walk out the building in safety you can go for the rules for life approach combining the teachings from 10 commandants, Leviticus and New testament parables to show that the bible offers a structure for living that is relevant and informs values that most of us want to live in a world led by even though we realise that's not always the case.
The more sophisticated approach of course would be to present it as the bad news approach and then spin it to prove that's good news and real world relevent
Goodlife, //Do you not see what appears to one person to be good news may not be viewed as good news by another.//
Sure do. Referring to the original question, the good news of ‘Three in One’ as discussed by the faithful at that meeting – who are no less ‘faithful’ than you - would not be viewed as good news to you, would it?
Have you ever considered that there were none more faithful than the Muslim madmen who flew the planes into the World Trade Centre on 9/11? Do stop talking about the faithful as though Jehovah’s Witnesses hold the monopoly on faith. They don’t.
Sure do. Referring to the original question, the good news of ‘Three in One’ as discussed by the faithful at that meeting – who are no less ‘faithful’ than you - would not be viewed as good news to you, would it?
Have you ever considered that there were none more faithful than the Muslim madmen who flew the planes into the World Trade Centre on 9/11? Do stop talking about the faithful as though Jehovah’s Witnesses hold the monopoly on faith. They don’t.
Flesh-Demon, Which bits of Leviticus would that be then? The bit about homosexuality being an abomination, or the bit about killing disobedient children and adulterers, or the bit about disabled people being prevented from approaching an altar? None of that seems to offer an acceptable structure for civilised living to me.
Octavious // so even if modelller preaches the loudest,//
//inequalities and poverty in peoples lives right now, and in which I can effect a change that might help someone somewhere get food, water or education//
I think that's the first time the word ' Preach ' has ever been associated with my name. I try to stick to facts that anyone can verify as opposed to belief and emotion, but accept both of these are an important part of our psyche.
I applaud your efforts to effect change as mentioned above but you can't cure cancer by just treating the symptoms, you have to get at the cause, and frequently that is found in the bible.
At my talks it is noticeable that the speakers almost invariably use my comments as a part of their summing up and are more careful to avoid
generalities. I on my part also empathise more with those who need the crutch of religion.
//inequalities and poverty in peoples lives right now, and in which I can effect a change that might help someone somewhere get food, water or education//
I think that's the first time the word ' Preach ' has ever been associated with my name. I try to stick to facts that anyone can verify as opposed to belief and emotion, but accept both of these are an important part of our psyche.
I applaud your efforts to effect change as mentioned above but you can't cure cancer by just treating the symptoms, you have to get at the cause, and frequently that is found in the bible.
At my talks it is noticeable that the speakers almost invariably use my comments as a part of their summing up and are more careful to avoid
generalities. I on my part also empathise more with those who need the crutch of religion.
Ah, the easy stuff. Einstein once said, “I have little patience with scientists who take a board of wood, look for its thinnest part, and drill a great number of holes where drilling is easy.”
If it keeps you entertained then thats just great, but one doesn't develop nor advance far when constantly doing the easy stuff.
If it keeps you entertained then thats just great, but one doesn't develop nor advance far when constantly doing the easy stuff.
"you can't cure cancer by just treating the symptoms"
Actually isn't that what chemotherapy is intended to do? Or at least alleviate them anyhow. But you perhaps are talking about new cancers, which is to stop it before it happens. Either way the analogy doesn't work for me because you are attending an event with the "symptoms" already evident. For the cause, you'd need to go to higher authority...(speak to God??!)
But my point to your analogy would be that you can't cure cancer by just arguing about it in a closed room with people who have no desire nor need to be cured.
Actually isn't that what chemotherapy is intended to do? Or at least alleviate them anyhow. But you perhaps are talking about new cancers, which is to stop it before it happens. Either way the analogy doesn't work for me because you are attending an event with the "symptoms" already evident. For the cause, you'd need to go to higher authority...(speak to God??!)
But my point to your analogy would be that you can't cure cancer by just arguing about it in a closed room with people who have no desire nor need to be cured.
Octavious //But my point to your analogy would be that you can't cure cancer by just arguing about it in a closed room with people who have no desire nor need to be cured. //
There are many closed rooms in the Vatican but what they lack is the dissenting voice of reason and realism. They may not desire it but the need has never been greater.
There are many closed rooms in the Vatican but what they lack is the dissenting voice of reason and realism. They may not desire it but the need has never been greater.
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