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The Bible tells us that Christians should be no part of the world. So how can the Archbishop reconcile this with what he is now proposing?
The Bible tells us that Christians should be no part of the world. So how can the Archbishop reconcile this with what he is now proposing?
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There is a thread running n this already that you may want to read:
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How involved is God in earth’s affairs? Opinions vary. One view is that he is not involved at all.
The facts show that do the churches, and their members.
Are they really “no part of the world,” as Jesus said that his true followers would be (John 15:19)
Or are they deeply involved in the world’s affairs, in its nationalism, its politics and its class struggles? You do not need someone else to answer these questions for you.
The activities of the churches are widely publicized, and you know what is going on in them. If there are people in your community who, because of their religion, refrain from such activities, you no doubt know who they are too.
The facts show that do the churches, and their members.
Are they really “no part of the world,” as Jesus said that his true followers would be (John 15:19)
Or are they deeply involved in the world’s affairs, in its nationalism, its politics and its class struggles? You do not need someone else to answer these questions for you.
The activities of the churches are widely publicized, and you know what is going on in them. If there are people in your community who, because of their religion, refrain from such activities, you no doubt know who they are too.
this is my thread from this morning, seems they do invest quite heavily, and have done so indirectly with the company Wonga
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Goodlife, if I’m reading you accurately, you’re saying that Jehovah’s Witnesses take no interest in the problems of this world and make no effort whatsoever to address them or to help to improve the lives of the needy. Is that right, and if so does that make you proud?
I see your organisation is not averse to asking for support.
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I see your organisation is not averse to asking for support.
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Naomi-Do you not read,this facility has been provided solely for the convenience of those who asked for this "service" and desire to support our work by these means. It should not be seen as the soliciting of funds in any way.
as Jesus said that his true followers would be no part of
world’s affairs, saying Jesus wanted his followers to live and not suffer destruction with this evil world. So he urged them, not to participate in world’s affairs, politics, but to stay separate from the world. He set the example himself and always lived up to his words: “I am no part of the world.”—John 17:16,
as Jesus said that his true followers would be no part of
world’s affairs, saying Jesus wanted his followers to live and not suffer destruction with this evil world. So he urged them, not to participate in world’s affairs, politics, but to stay separate from the world. He set the example himself and always lived up to his words: “I am no part of the world.”—John 17:16,
Naomi-Jesus instructions to his disciples precluded teaching for hire. “You received free, give free,” he counseled. (Matthew 10:8) Although begging was common, it was looked down upon in those days. In one of his illustrations, Jesus portrays a certain steward as saying, “I am ashamed to beg.” (Luke 16:3) Hence, never in the Bible narrative do we find Jesus’ faithful followers soliciting money or goods. They lived by the principle: “If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat.”—2 Thessalonians 3:10.
There is no soliciting of money, no backbiting or quarreling, and no discrimination .The most outstanding quality among Jehovah’s Witnesses is love. First, they love Jehovah, and second, they love other people. These are marks of true Christians. You should attend their meetings and confirm this for yourself.
There is no soliciting of money, no backbiting or quarreling, and no discrimination .The most outstanding quality among Jehovah’s Witnesses is love. First, they love Jehovah, and second, they love other people. These are marks of true Christians. You should attend their meetings and confirm this for yourself.
Goodlife
//They lived by the principle: “If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat.”—2 Thessalonians 3:10. //
Who wrote that? - Paul right?
A man who was not there at the time
What work do we see Jesus and his disciples doing for their food in the Gospells?
Do we have 'and Jesus knocked up a quick Gazebo and flogged it down the market so all could eat?'
No
They were living on charity - on hand outs
I'm pretty sure they all *could* work so first century scroungers then
//They lived by the principle: “If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat.”—2 Thessalonians 3:10. //
Who wrote that? - Paul right?
A man who was not there at the time
What work do we see Jesus and his disciples doing for their food in the Gospells?
Do we have 'and Jesus knocked up a quick Gazebo and flogged it down the market so all could eat?'
No
They were living on charity - on hand outs
I'm pretty sure they all *could* work so first century scroungers then
How is asking for voluntary contributions with the expressed intent of various missionary works not soliciting?
That disclaimer at the top of the page referenced in Naomis post is just an attempt to save face and deflect criticism.
You have made me curiois now. What do JWs think about charitable giving? Do they support it, endorse it, encourage it? Do JWs involve themselves in any way in running or funding hospitals, or orphanages, or food banks, or what have you?
That disclaimer at the top of the page referenced in Naomis post is just an attempt to save face and deflect criticism.
You have made me curiois now. What do JWs think about charitable giving? Do they support it, endorse it, encourage it? Do JWs involve themselves in any way in running or funding hospitals, or orphanages, or food banks, or what have you?
Here is St. Paul soliciting for money (or, rather, moaning to the Corinthians that they weren't giving him any):
"9 For it is written in the Law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn: doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? for our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth, should plow in hope: and that he that thresheth in hope, should be partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sowen unto you spirituall things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnall things?
12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Neverthelesse, we have not used this power: but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the Gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things, live of the things of the Temple? and they which wait at the altar, are partakers with the altar?"
A propos of nothing concerning the OP this chapter stuck in my mind from re-reading half of the Old and all of the New Testaments a little while ago (prompted by following the threads on R&S). Note his comments: Does God care about oxen, or is He really only bothered about us? What a vile interpretation, I thought, of one of the few verses in the Pentateuch which exhibit any decency.
"9 For it is written in the Law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn: doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? for our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth, should plow in hope: and that he that thresheth in hope, should be partaker of his hope.
11 If we have sowen unto you spirituall things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnall things?
12 If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Neverthelesse, we have not used this power: but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the Gospel of Christ.
13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things, live of the things of the Temple? and they which wait at the altar, are partakers with the altar?"
A propos of nothing concerning the OP this chapter stuck in my mind from re-reading half of the Old and all of the New Testaments a little while ago (prompted by following the threads on R&S). Note his comments: Does God care about oxen, or is He really only bothered about us? What a vile interpretation, I thought, of one of the few verses in the Pentateuch which exhibit any decency.
You just do not have a clue as to the JW organisation. It is a registered charity. As to helping out- just because it is not advertised as per other so called charities does not mean we do not do anything. In fact, if you bothered to do your research you will find that when there is a disaster, it is generally JWs who are there first but we do not go in for media coverage.
Read our magazines and hear the expressions of those whom the society has helped. You would be amazed. Don’t think that just because we are modest about our achievements mean we have none.
Read our magazines and hear the expressions of those whom the society has helped. You would be amazed. Don’t think that just because we are modest about our achievements mean we have none.
@Goodlife - Yes, it would be extremely hypocritical were an organisation to register as a charity but not support charitable giving, wouldn't it?
So do JWs run or fund hospitals, or hospices, or orphanages, or food banks?How about womens refuges? What charitable giving do they fund? As an example, I know the CoE has The Childrens Society and the Church Urban Fund as vehicles for charitable works - what would be the JW analogue? How about organisations like The Red Cross?
You claim that JWs are at the forefront of the relief effort in the event of a disaster - thats good. Any examples?
So do JWs run or fund hospitals, or hospices, or orphanages, or food banks?How about womens refuges? What charitable giving do they fund? As an example, I know the CoE has The Childrens Society and the Church Urban Fund as vehicles for charitable works - what would be the JW analogue? How about organisations like The Red Cross?
You claim that JWs are at the forefront of the relief effort in the event of a disaster - thats good. Any examples?
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