Aliens On The Moon? Why Have We Never Returned Back To The Moon?

[Henrietta]

There are many many videos and information on this theory and it really blow my mind it seems the more deeper I go the more I find and the more that compels me to keep digging.

I think that this the real "rabbit hole" and needs investigating/explaining.

Apparently there are many cover ups/lies and misinformation being spread by the main space body with 4 letters.

What are you thoughts on alien bases on the dark side of the moon/u.f.o's being sighted on/around the moon and various other things which point to the face that we are not alone and many on earth know the truth and do not want to share with us?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmRwQCoK_XY

[Khandro]

Something to get your teeth into;
Dr Algund Eenboom is actually a dentist!
Laughing as anyone?

[Khandro]

gas

[jomifl]

vulcan, of course the definition is not wrong, but the model aeroplane was hardly a scaled up replica and demonstrated nothing, just as the linked video does not prove that Alladin had a flying carpet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UZ42XkP8x9U

[Obiter]

Alladin never had a flying carpet. That was his wicked uncle, 'Avabanana"

[FrogNog]

Naomi I don't know what you imagine me to be a student (or not) of, but I have enough knowledge to be able to cast a decent aspersion.
Von Daniken is not to be taken seriously. As others have said I find it difficult to believe that you scoff at the belief in a god yet give credence to this obvious charlatan. I am sad to say that I think I overestimated you.

[naomi24]

FrogNog, you’re entitled to your opinion of this theory, and over-estimating me or otherwise is your prerogative. It matters not to me. I repeat what I said at 07:16 Tue 26th Aug 2014.

//Personally, I don’t care what he’s done – or what anyone thinks he’s done ……Nothing detracts from the possibility that his basic theory could be correct.//

Erich von Daniken is not the only man ever to have written books on this subject – he just happens to be the first to have broadly promulgated this idea. I had hoped we’d moved on from limiting this discussion to personal opinions of him. All of that is irrelevant to the fundamental hypothesis.

A Nasa engineer, Josef Blumrich, determined to disprove the theory by examining an account of what Von Daniken claimed to be the arrival of a flying craft documented in the book of Ezekiel as the arrival of God. The result was a book confirming that in his (Blumrich’s) opinion, what Ezekiel saw was indeed, a flying craft. If you’re interested, you can find that Biblical account, where the initial arrival is described as “a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light” at the beginning of the book of Ezekiel. If you’re not, not to worry.

[jomifl]

Don't ignore the possibility that it was indeed a cloud..

[naomi24]

I have to ignore that possibility. This cloud landed.

//and brightness was all around it and radiating out of its midst like the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. Also from within it came the likeness of four living creatures. //

Incidentally, I assume you realise that the fellow who produced the video you posted is a conservative Christian hell(?) bent on debunking anything that doesn’t fit his limited world view of absolute biblical accuracy?

http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/beliefs/

[Khandro]

Like I said, it was Klaatu and Gort.

[Philoctetes]

The Ezekiel passage is very odd indeed. So let us remember that Ralph Vaughan-Williams was inspired by it to write his piece "A Vision of Aeroplanes", which is well worth a listen.

[sandyRoe]

Of course, my thought, that it was a chariot with Angels acting as charioteers, come to take Ezekiel to his Heavenly reward, will also be derided.

[jomifl]

Strangely enough Naomi, just as you are prepared to ignore the fact that EvD is a serial fraudster so am I able to ignore the fact that the guy in the video is a serial christian. Even christians can talk sense some of the time. They mostly aren't deliberately fraudulent.

[naomi24]

Jom, I can ignore Von Daniken's shortcomings because that has no bearing upon this theory, but oh my, Jom, it comes to something when you resort to relying upon a potty fundamentalist Christian to support your argument. That really is one for the archives. :o)

[jomifl]

Naomi, it really is silly to shoot the messenger, especially when you don't understand the message.

[naomi24]

Jom, if you understood the message of a fundamentalist Christian, he'd be the last person you'd offer in support of your argument.

[naomi24]

divebuddy, Hopefully this link will work:

http://ancientaliensdebunked.com/references-and-transcripts/ezekiels-wheels/

The main argument I can see there is that Ezekiel’s vocabulary was good so why didn’t he explain what he saw more descriptively? Of course he was capable of describing things that were familiar to him and that he could make sense of - but his vocabulary wasn’t good enough to describe something he had never seen and could have had no possible conception of – he had no words to describe that - a mechanical vehicle that hurtled to earth, making a terrible racket, spouting smoke and fire, and appearing to move of its own volition. These stories aren’t confined to the bible. They emanate from the four corners of the globe, most notably from ancient India where vimanas (flying machines) were a common sight, and described in great detail. Your debunker hasn’t really thought this through, maybe because, like Jom’s man, he too has a pre-conceived agenda.

Copied and edited from the internet:

//Michael S. Heiser, received an MA in Ancient History from the University of Pennsylvania, and an MA and PhD in the Hebrew Bible and Semitic Languages from the University of Wisconsin–Madison (with a minor in Classical studies). Heiser received his undergraduate degree from Bob Jones University and also attended Bible college for three years. He maintains that the Bible relates a uniform doctrine of divine plurality. //

Sorry, but in answer to your question, yes, he is the wrong type of charlatan.

[naomi24]

Thank you. I'm looking for God. ;o)