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Are Muslims The Victims Of Islam?

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anotheoldgit | 15:49 Tue 26th Jul 2016 | News
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3708401/Dutch-Far-Right-Freedom-Party-leader-Geert-Wilders-says-EU-refuse-entry-Muslim-migrants.html

Geert Wilders seems to think so.

/// In an article for Breibart last month, Wilders urged Muslims to turn their back on Islam, telling them to 'opt for freedom.

He wrote: 'Islam is a totalitarian ideology. Muslims are its victims.

'Just imagine you’re a gay person in a Muslim family.

'Just imagine you’re a Muslim girl wanting to marry a non-Muslim.

'Just imagine being a Muslim wanting to convert to Christianity or any other religion or become an atheist.

'It is in the interest of our own Western civilisation, but also in the interest of the Muslims themselves, that we encourage as many Muslims as possible to turn their backs on Islam and become Christians or atheists or whatever.

'The more Muslims freeing themselves from Islam and the yoke of Muhammad, the better.' ///


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I think this gentleman is missing just four letters - it is not Islam that is the problem, it is Islamists - a small but vital distinction.
Yes.
There are many lesbian and homosexual Muslims in Britain, approximately 125,000.

Muslims do marry non-Muslims. A Muslim has married in to my own family.

Muslims have converted to Christianity and continued to be part of the Muslim family.
Here is a list of famous or noted converts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_converts_to_Christianity_from_Islam

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andy-hughes

And it was you who accused me of nit-picking words.
AOG - //andy-hughes

And it was you who accused me of nit-picking words. //

I am not nit-picking - there is a separate dictionary definition for each word, and the difference is essential to the point Mr Wilders s making, and you have raised for debate.
yes, they are, like the devotees of all religions they are indeed victims, brainwashed by their parents and the surrounding apparatus. It is a sad indictment of human kind that despite our demonstrable "intelligence" we still cannot shake off this silliness and generation upon generation continue to be infected. Yes I think he's bang on.
He's right.
Hah ha ha a. That's the best I could do as a response to this.
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hc4361

Perhaps you would care to read this very interesting article, you are safe it's in the Guardian, so it can't be lies?

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2015/may/17/losing-their-religion-british-ex-muslims-non-believers-hidden-crisis-faith
If it weren't for Islam there would be no Islamists so I don't get a-h's point.
Jackdaw, the KKK swear to uphold Christian morality but most Christians don't consider them to be Christian.
It's a similar sort of thing
jackdaw at 17.08, spot on.
If there were no religion in the world there would still be wars over territory, clan, property, natural resources.
hc4361, one wrong doesn't negate another.
hopefully so, hc, otherwise we'd have even more people on the planet.
That is very true, DTC.
survival of the fittest for territory/resources...its natures way...
"so I don't get a-h's point."

just let him ramble on to his hearts content, he usually does...by the end of the third page and endless verbose guff most people have lost the will to live and given up anyway
He's partly right.

> "opt for freedom"

It's a sad fact of most organised religions that many/most followers are brainwashed from birth to be followers of those religions. Some/many/most followers eventually come to realise this, and then they should be free to abandon that religion. But if they choose not to abandon it, then that's their free choice too.

It is not great that parents inflict organised religion on their children and it would be good if, over time, this happened less and less (and indeed in this country that has been the case for some time now). But parents inflict all sorts of badness, cruelty and harm on their children, often unwittingly, mostly legally, and religion falls into that IMO.

We can't make organised religion go away overnight, but it would be good if eventually we could.

A good start would be for the UK to become a secular state ...
^ hee hee.

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