Working Classes Are Leaving Religion In Droves

[Zacs-Master]

It would appear. What do you put this down to?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/13/uk-losing-faith-religion-young-reject-parents-beliefs

[mikey4444]

Lol 10Clarion !

[naomi24]

Khandro, I said ‘deemed’ more knowledgeable, but that aside religion is all about listening to people who are deemed more knowledgeable. That’s why Catholics consult priests for advice, and why Muslims consult Imams.

Chris, the original quote you’ve ‘mullered' is commonly believed to have come from the pen of G K Chesterton, I think, who was clearly just as confused on the subject as you are. Absolute nonsense.

[Khandro]

//For me, religious belief is on a par with believing in fairies, goblins, pixies and the tooth fairy......its infantile.//

But there again mikey, let's face it, you don't really know much about religion do you?

Isn't it noticeable how often virtue signalling consists of saying how stupid others are and how you hate things?

[We are giving a lunch party for 8 and first arrivals due soon, so I'm signing off and you will get no further comments from me today - byeee!]

[naomi24]

Khandro, whatever anyone knows about religion can only have come from other men who, in reality, cannot possibly know any more about the ‘unknown’ than anyone else. I have, as you know, over the course of many years, studied religion profusely, but I’ve never for a moment believed that anything I have ever read on the subject has emanated from anywhere other than the minds of men. However, I do think it’s become somewhat de rigueur these days for some people who claim to be atheists to feign intellectual superiority, despite the fact that their methods often – albeit inadvertently - belie their claims. ;o)

[fender62]

I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered!.... love that quote from the prisoner tv series

[Zacs-Master]

No one's saying you should be.

[fender62]

ah but some religious communities do indoctrinate and make it difficult to leave, some are even murdered

[Zacs-Master]

Not quite what my question was about.

[atalanta]

In his answer to Mikey, is Khandro suggesting that all you have to do to become religious is to read lots more about religion than you already have ? Over several decades, I have read and studied widely and deeply about all sorts of religions and all sorts of unbelief, in books, debates, lectures and many other sources. In doing all this study, I was actually looking for faith, but I wanted evidence before I could put away my unbelief. Some sort of proof. And how much did I find ? Absolutely zero, nil, nihil, nichevo, rien. Is Khandro suggesting I should study even more, that religious conviction may yet strike me ? I'm afraid it is always a cheap riposte from a religious person to a non-religious one. " You don't know enough about it " When does he suggest the time will come when I might have read enough about religion to say "that's it, now I can call myself an unbeliever" ?

[Old_Geezer]

Not particularly surprising that there is a gradual dissatisfaction with the non-scientific explanations of reality from the past. Conjecture is vulnerable to counter-argument until proof beyond reasonable doubt is found. But where such proof is difficult it is the best one can come up with.

It doesn't mean that all folk only believe in the corporeal, it means that they aren't going to accept the traditional official explanations of the spiritual. Many will follow their parents' beliefs, but for those that don't, more will reject a particular belief as inadequate and likely incorrect, than will have a life experience that drives a need to accept an existing explanation, based on an ancient faith in Gods.

[beso]

The paedophilia scandals have done a lot of damage to the credibility of the church, particularly when the problem goes right into the higher echelons of power. If the guidance of God can't even keep rotten people out of positions of power then it begs the question of there being a God at all.

[Khandro]

//it begs the question of there being a God at all.//

Or perhaps, does God intervene in the daily affairs of man?

[sevenOP]

Possibly the rejection of the shortsightedness of believing any 1 book as having all the answers, or being what actually happened cf Tanakh, Bible, Koran, or ANY History book ?