Hitchens And Dawkins

[fender62]

i like these two fellows, there are many vids on them, what are your thoughts

[vulcan42]

Khandro, you analogy doesn't work for me, I'm hopeless at maths but appreciate its importance. I would suggest any body who sees no point to it and finds it all a waste of time might not be too bright at reading either and would never think of buying a book.

[naomi24]

Khandro, I know you didn’t say they were intellectual midgets – but as well as undermining their intellect you insulted the people who take notice of them by referring to them as intellectual midgets. I agree with Vulcan – your analogy doesn’t work simply because religion cannot be rationally argued by anyone who knows nothing about it – and they argue rationally - which is what scares you.

[Khandro]

naomi; Ha-Ha, I don't scare that easily :0)

[naomi24]

Hmmm ... ;o)

[Theland]

Strange how Dawkins speaks with such venom.
That is not normal.
Also, his claims for evolution are so full of holes that it can't be considered serious science.

[naomi24]

Theland, strange how you heard venom where there was none. I suspect you didn't listen to that.

[nailit]

//Strange how Dawkins speaks with such venom.
That is not normal//
Venom? Seriously?
What is not normal is seeing something that is not there.
Persecution complex perhaps Theland?

[nailit]

//his claims for evolution are so full of holes that it can't be considered serious science//

But the Bibles claims of men made from dirt along with a rib wife who live in an enchanted garden, with talking snakes and magical trees of knowledge is?

[Khandro]

nailit; //...Bibles claims of men made from dirt //

Well that bit is definitely true - even jim would agree to that.

[jim360]

No I wouldn't :/

[nailit]

Didn't think you would somehow Jim ;-)

[Khandro]

jim; Perhaps more poetically referred to as 'stardust';
'Almost 99% of the mass of the human body is made up of six elements: oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus. Only about 0.85% is composed of another five elements: potassium, sulphur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium.'

plus of course, don't forget the soul!

[jim360]

Oh, I see. If by "dirt" you mean something that isn't dirt, then sure... :/

[nailit]

^^lol

[Khandro]

jim; pick up a handful of 'dirt' and depending where you are, you'll be holding a lot of those elements in your hand.

p.s. in the US soil is known colloquially as dirt.

[jim360]

I mean, I really don't want to go down this rabbit hole of semantics, but whatever. The point is that stardust is not dirt -- which is, I suspect, the first and last time that anyone has had to say that.

[Khandro]

jim; perhaps you don't want to go down that hole because you know you are wrong;
http://www.physics.org/article-questions.asp?id=52

[jim360]

What I think you are missing Khandro is that there's clearly a difference between the (essentially accurate) statement that explosions from dying stars created the heavy elements that then went on to form Earth (and, so, the materials whence we come), and the woolly poetry of "humans come from dirt", which is, as your source notes, poetic while having (some) solid science only behind it. (my italics, but it's worth emphasising).



Of course, if you want to continue calling me wrong about things you only barely understand then feel free.

[Muntin]

'Dawkins speaks with such venom'. Passion maybe, but I believe he is invariably polite.
And you suggest that Dawkins [who has been a biologist all his adult life]...'seriously flawed'. Where? Give an example.

[Muntin]

That was to The Land