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Intelligent Design
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More a question for Theland than anyone else (or any other literalist Bible believer)
Can you explain to me why you believe that the universe is intelligently designed?
In fact, lets narrow it down a bit and just say Earth. (when I say 'narrow it down a bit', I actually mean considerably)
*The Earth has been home to over 99% of (now) extinct species of life forms.
*Life has evolved on this planet to eat other life forms
*Parasites live of other beings
*Cancer cells mutate indiscriminately (children, animals, Christians, atheists)
*Volcanos, earthquakes, tidal waves, etc don't discriminate whom they destroy
I could go on but I won't. But please tell me why you think that there is a divine intelligence in orchestrating the above. If its intelligent then its certainly malevolent.
Can you explain to me why you believe that the universe is intelligently designed?
In fact, lets narrow it down a bit and just say Earth. (when I say 'narrow it down a bit', I actually mean considerably)
*The Earth has been home to over 99% of (now) extinct species of life forms.
*Life has evolved on this planet to eat other life forms
*Parasites live of other beings
*Cancer cells mutate indiscriminately (children, animals, Christians, atheists)
*Volcanos, earthquakes, tidal waves, etc don't discriminate whom they destroy
I could go on but I won't. But please tell me why you think that there is a divine intelligence in orchestrating the above. If its intelligent then its certainly malevolent.
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"Not enough time for unconscious natural processes to, "evolve," into anything resembling life, and certainly not man."
Wishful guesswork. We don't have full knowledge of everything but we know we're here and have no reason to doubt that in a vast universe over massive time life can not come into being. We already see the building blocks of life in space. From those seeds to life itself may not be a long process, especially if planets everywhere get seeded. Someplace somewhere hits the jackpot, and here seems to be one of those places.
Wishful guesswork. We don't have full knowledge of everything but we know we're here and have no reason to doubt that in a vast universe over massive time life can not come into being. We already see the building blocks of life in space. From those seeds to life itself may not be a long process, especially if planets everywhere get seeded. Someplace somewhere hits the jackpot, and here seems to be one of those places.
That's interesting, OG- Maths? Show your working...!
And as for science, science deals with things that can be tested and shown to be proven. The Big Bang theory is just that- a theory. That's not science, simply conjecture.
As you rightly point out "we chose"- yes, you did- that's your choice- but it's opinion, not based on maths and/or science.
And as for science, science deals with things that can be tested and shown to be proven. The Big Bang theory is just that- a theory. That's not science, simply conjecture.
As you rightly point out "we chose"- yes, you did- that's your choice- but it's opinion, not based on maths and/or science.
//and have no reason to doubt that in a vast universe over massive time life can not come into being. We already see the building blocks of life in space. From those seeds to life itself may not be a long process, especially if planets everywhere get seeded. Someplace somewhere hits the jackpot, and here seems to be one of those places.//
Yes, exactly, it's known as "Creation". :)
Yes, exactly, it's known as "Creation". :)
//Maybe earth was a 'test' for god to see how his powers worked, now he realised what a dumb mistake he made// The Bible does say He "repented that he made man" at one stage.
//He has left us to our own devises// Exactly, we have the ability to make informed choices, ie to believe or not to believe.
//He has left us to our own devises// Exactly, we have the ability to make informed choices, ie to believe or not to believe.
//Ask the quantum physicists for the maths or work it out yourself.// Well, you clearly rely on it, but either don't understand it or can't be bothered to explain. Not exactly convincing.
//Ah so you accept creation involves natural processes not a deity then ?// No, not at all. I do believe there are natural processes set on by God. There has to be a cause in the beginning for there to be an effect.
//Ah so you accept creation involves natural processes not a deity then ?// No, not at all. I do believe there are natural processes set on by God. There has to be a cause in the beginning for there to be an effect.
" The Big Bang theory is just that- a theory. That's not science, simply conjecture."
Conjecture is not the same as a theory.
Theory
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.
i. e. Known to the best of anyone's knowledge to be true
Conjecture
a guess about something based on how it seems and not on proof
i. e. An idea which is yet to be tested properly.
Conjecture is not the same as a theory.
Theory
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.
i. e. Known to the best of anyone's knowledge to be true
Conjecture
a guess about something based on how it seems and not on proof
i. e. An idea which is yet to be tested properly.
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"The Big Bang theory is just that- a theory. That's not science, simply conjecture. "
Oh, lord -- more misuse of the word "theory". A scientific theory is *not* a conjecture. There is a scientific word for a conjecture and it's... conjecture. They are different concepts.
Theories in science are coherent explanations for natural phenomena that are backed up by experimental evidence. They also make predictions for what future experiments will observe that can than be tested, and the theory therefore further supported, or modified, according to those results. They are certainly not wishy-washy explanations that may or may not be true according to your fancy, nor are they down to the whim of scientific opinion.
In maths, a theorem is something that has been proven to be true. In Science, nothing is ever proven, but theories still have the same essential status: a theory, in science, is about as close to truth as it's possible to get.
Oh, lord -- more misuse of the word "theory". A scientific theory is *not* a conjecture. There is a scientific word for a conjecture and it's... conjecture. They are different concepts.
Theories in science are coherent explanations for natural phenomena that are backed up by experimental evidence. They also make predictions for what future experiments will observe that can than be tested, and the theory therefore further supported, or modified, according to those results. They are certainly not wishy-washy explanations that may or may not be true according to your fancy, nor are they down to the whim of scientific opinion.
In maths, a theorem is something that has been proven to be true. In Science, nothing is ever proven, but theories still have the same essential status: a theory, in science, is about as close to truth as it's possible to get.
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There's nothing in Science that it's possible, with 100% certainty, to prove true. On the other hand, it's usually easy to disprove any given hypothesis, or even any given theory: simply test its predictions, and if those predictions do not match experiment then the theory/hypothesis/conjecture is disproven (assuming, of course, that the experiment was performed properly).
Instead, things that cannot be disproven are, by their nature, *not* scientific theories.
Instead, things that cannot be disproven are, by their nature, *not* scientific theories.
"Well, you clearly rely on it [the maths of quantum mechanics], but either don't understand it or can't be bothered to explain. Not exactly convincing. "
Obviously this was directed at OG, but there is at least one person in this thread who can do both (although, perhaps, AB is not the easiest place to explain it because mathematical notation isn't supported here).
But besides, the beauty of maths is that it doesn't rely on any given person to explain it. It is its own justification. If you want to learn it for yourself you can do so.
Obviously this was directed at OG, but there is at least one person in this thread who can do both (although, perhaps, AB is not the easiest place to explain it because mathematical notation isn't supported here).
But besides, the beauty of maths is that it doesn't rely on any given person to explain it. It is its own justification. If you want to learn it for yourself you can do so.
So, maths can't prove or disprove intelligent design then. Thought not.
Whatever the Big Bang "Theory" is, or coming to a personal conclusion that Evolutionary "Theory" is, it's not fact.
Pure science deals with the facts, not unproven theories- these are at best "educated" guesses, but do not come under the realm of science as they cannot be tested or proved.
Whatever the Big Bang "Theory" is, or coming to a personal conclusion that Evolutionary "Theory" is, it's not fact.
Pure science deals with the facts, not unproven theories- these are at best "educated" guesses, but do not come under the realm of science as they cannot be tested or proved.
There is no conclusive evidence that the earth was created by "accident" or created itself. At best, this is wishful thinking. You may disagree, but that's fine- you have your opinions by all means! Just don't claim that maths and science have ever disproved the existence of God. History has proved the scientists wrong time and time again.
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