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Absurdity Of Hell
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Some religions ( and some R&S posters) postulate that hell is a just and final destination for unbelievers.
Apart from the obvious (eternal punishment for finite sins is unjust) can anyone conceive of a more sick doctrine in religion than that unbelievers will be tortured beyond belief...for eternity...for simply believing something different?
All religions have their own ideas of hell but even the Christians that I know have a hard time with this and struggle to cope with it.
(I actually know one Christian who lost his son to drug OD and cracked up after, with the thought that his son was burning in hell)
This idea that people will be tortured/burned for all eternity for the sin of not believing in the right God is one sick doctrine.
Anyone comfortable with the idea of eternal torture?
Apart from the obvious (eternal punishment for finite sins is unjust) can anyone conceive of a more sick doctrine in religion than that unbelievers will be tortured beyond belief...for eternity...for simply believing something different?
All religions have their own ideas of hell but even the Christians that I know have a hard time with this and struggle to cope with it.
(I actually know one Christian who lost his son to drug OD and cracked up after, with the thought that his son was burning in hell)
This idea that people will be tortured/burned for all eternity for the sin of not believing in the right God is one sick doctrine.
Anyone comfortable with the idea of eternal torture?
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It is not immoral if I decide to adapt the law of the jungle. Red in tooth and claw.
What moral code should stop me from rape, for my sexual satisfaction, theft for my material satisfaction, and murder to preserve my independence?
How can anybody claim that societal norms are the absolute moral standards?
I may simply reject them.
Only the fear of the rest of society catching me and punishing me, would restrict my so called immoral behaviour.
What moral code should stop me from rape, for my sexual satisfaction, theft for my material satisfaction, and murder to preserve my independence?
How can anybody claim that societal norms are the absolute moral standards?
I may simply reject them.
Only the fear of the rest of society catching me and punishing me, would restrict my so called immoral behaviour.
//The torture is simply not being in the presence of God//
Try again. Have you not read about how god throws 'unbelievers' into a lake of fire? A bit painful I should imagine.
//But if you don't believe in Him. You have nothing to worry about do you? Or do you? /
According to you I do. (or do you? veiled threats again)
//You seem troubled as always//
Yep, we all have our troubles dont we? But at least I dont threaten you with eternal damnation because you got troubles...
Theland, I never ever wanted to say this but....
grow a pair for gods sakes ;-)
Try again. Have you not read about how god throws 'unbelievers' into a lake of fire? A bit painful I should imagine.
//But if you don't believe in Him. You have nothing to worry about do you? Or do you? /
According to you I do. (or do you? veiled threats again)
//You seem troubled as always//
Yep, we all have our troubles dont we? But at least I dont threaten you with eternal damnation because you got troubles...
Theland, I never ever wanted to say this but....
grow a pair for gods sakes ;-)
Hello, Theland.
I, an atheist, do believe in an "absolute" morality, although I've got no idea how to defend that prejudice.
I do, however, know why morality can't be based based on dictat (divine or other). That proposition asserts that it's "right" because it's prescribed by some Well, that makes it "legal" - agree there. But legality and goodness are not synonyms. (only jurists would disagree)
An unanswerable dilemma posed by Plato 2,400 years ago: is it right because the gods say so? or do the gods says so because it's right?
That's why the Olympian gods, Zeus included, were subject to a higher principle - the goddess Ananke - Necessity.
I, an atheist, do believe in an "absolute" morality, although I've got no idea how to defend that prejudice.
I do, however, know why morality can't be based based on dictat (divine or other). That proposition asserts that it's "right" because it's prescribed by some Well, that makes it "legal" - agree there. But legality and goodness are not synonyms. (only jurists would disagree)
An unanswerable dilemma posed by Plato 2,400 years ago: is it right because the gods say so? or do the gods says so because it's right?
That's why the Olympian gods, Zeus included, were subject to a higher principle - the goddess Ananke - Necessity.
Great post VE x
I do not murder and kill people, steal and harm because it's not right, not because i'm afraid of getting caught Theland, I don't do it because I wouldn't wish anyone to do it to me or my loved ones because it's not morally right. Morals have nothing whatsoever to do with religion necessarily.
I do not murder and kill people, steal and harm because it's not right, not because i'm afraid of getting caught Theland, I don't do it because I wouldn't wish anyone to do it to me or my loved ones because it's not morally right. Morals have nothing whatsoever to do with religion necessarily.
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