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With respect, why do atheists spend so much time and energy on Religion & Sprituality?
This is as ridiculous as me being on gardening, football, or cooking.
Good for those who are, but wasted on me.
This is as ridiculous as me being on gardening, football, or cooking.
Good for those who are, but wasted on me.
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Hopkirk makes a very good point.
From personal experience, as a child I was taught Christianity at school and led to believe it was fact.
As I grew older, I was taught it more belief rather than factual.
When I realised that all I had been taught as a young child had to be nonsense, I felt so many questions I had were now answered.
I cannot say for certain there is no supernatural being controlling us, because it has not been proven that there isn't.
However, I have yet to see a shred of evidence that there is.
From personal experience, as a child I was taught Christianity at school and led to believe it was fact.
As I grew older, I was taught it more belief rather than factual.
When I realised that all I had been taught as a young child had to be nonsense, I felt so many questions I had were now answered.
I cannot say for certain there is no supernatural being controlling us, because it has not been proven that there isn't.
However, I have yet to see a shred of evidence that there is.
Theland. I don't spend much time discussing religion and spirituality because I have other interests, e.g. sex, history, petanque, painting and writing. Unfortunately not many here are interested in those things, so occasionally I talk to someone like you, but sadly it's not very intellectually stimulating. Best wishes, and give Jesus my regards - if he's there, he'll appreciate it, if not he won't mind.
//I don't spend much time discussing religion and spirituality because I have other interests, e.g. sex, history, petanque, painting and writing//
All of these interests are directly or indirectly related to what you might call loosely "spirituality".
Well, OK, not petanque. That's just a load of bowls.
All of these interests are directly or indirectly related to what you might call loosely "spirituality".
Well, OK, not petanque. That's just a load of bowls.
//VE. One of my problems is that I don't understand what Spirituality means. It's a bit like 'vibrations' or 'energy' when used in a non-scientific context. Can anyone here tell me what 'spirituality' is?//
No, Atheist, I can't. You've got me there.
I can do the next best thing which is to ask you what you mean when you talk about "right" and "wrong", when you argue whether in any particular case "justice" has been served or denied. In general ask you to explain the moral presumptions which we all share as atheists or believers.
No, Atheist, I can't. You've got me there.
I can do the next best thing which is to ask you what you mean when you talk about "right" and "wrong", when you argue whether in any particular case "justice" has been served or denied. In general ask you to explain the moral presumptions which we all share as atheists or believers.
VE, I don't think I've talked about right and wrong here. I think our moral judgements come from our evolutionary path, which favoured behaviour such as jumping into a pond to save a drowning creature (not a fish of course; we would save them by throwing them back into the water). Social and cultural and (dare I say it?) spiritual values intervened and led to odd behaviours such as killing people who were kind and friendly but had mistaken ideas of the exact hierarchy of supernatural beings - was Jesus equal to god or subordinate? My view is that it's better to be kind than clever.
//Mind you, if everyone thought like me I don't think the human race would have made such technological advance. Maybe that's why there aren't loads of ET's buzzing around here; perhaps they're at home being kind to each other//
Are intellectual qualities like curiosity and moral qualities like kindness mutually exclusive?
Are intellectual qualities like curiosity and moral qualities like kindness mutually exclusive?
"Religion is like a nail", according to Yemelyan Yarolslavsky, the Soviet revolutionary who headed the League of the Militant Godless,* "the harder you hit, the deeper it goes in".
If you study the history of Christianity you will discover that it was itself once considered atheistic, in that it refused to recognise the Roman gods and the Emperor.
*Where are they now ? I hear you ask, well;
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and of course embodied in that great thinker of our time, Richard Dawkins.
If you study the history of Christianity you will discover that it was itself once considered atheistic, in that it refused to recognise the Roman gods and the Emperor.
*Where are they now ? I hear you ask, well;
https:/
and of course embodied in that great thinker of our time, Richard Dawkins.
