Reality Of Political Islam

[fender62]

interesting and informative for the curious about islam..

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - // I wonder how many people who profess to know about Islam / Muslims have actually been to an Islamic/Muslim country? //

I never think this strand of argument is valid - it infers that direct experience of something is essential in order to have an opinion on it.


I don't need to know one end of a Gibson Les Paul from the other (although I do actually!) in order to know that Jimmy Page is a prodigiously talented player of said instrument.

[mibn2cweus]

I fail to see where religious apologist have anything less to apologise for or how sugar coating makes poison any less lethal.

[Zacs-Master]

‘it infers that direct experience of something is essential in order to have an opinion on it’

Not essential at all. Just gives a bit of gravitas to ones argument to have actually experienced what life is like in the bosom of that particular religion, rather than talking from an assumed viewpoint. Forgive me for my preference for informed debate.

[Khandro]

//I never think this strand of argument is valid - it infers that direct experience of something is essential in order to have an opinion on it.//

Then can we take you have a copy of the Koran and have read it?

[Peter Pedant]

// What is PP's obsession with the Irish?//

erm there were these people who used to shoot everyone called the IRA and people thought they were Roman Catholics which I am - and so I was linked with irish terrorism which I strongly objected to

erm there were these other people who used to shoot everyone or stab them called ISIS and people thought they were Muslim, which various other people are - and so they get linked with terrorism which they strongly object to

there are other people so thick they dont see the obvious parallel when it is spelt out to them
but hey - this is AB so I really ought to used to it by now

[Peter Pedant]

// ‘it infers that direct experience of something is essential in order to have an opinion on it’ //

empathy is dead - I learnt that in my final years of employment - you have to do to the managers what they are doing to the workers before they know how it feels

[naomi24]

//I never think this strand of argument is valid - it infers that direct experience of something is essential in order to have an opinion on it.//

To have an opinion experience is not 'essential' - but there are opinions and opinions - and experience doesn't go amiss.

[pixie374]

My experience is that Islam is no more totalitarian than any other religion. Like everyone, all Muslims I know, and I have literally worked with hundreds over the years, pick and choose which parts they want.

[naomi24]

Pixie, in your experience which parts did the hundreds you’ve consulted on the subject reject and say were wrong?

[pixie374]

Any and every that they didn't like, naomi. They were just as individual about their beliefs as every other religion/ non-religion that was there. If we are only referring to Extremists, we should call them that, rather than making it seem that every person with a religion follows it blindly.

[naomi24]

Right ....

[andy-hughes]

Zacs - // ‘it infers that direct experience of something is essential in order to have an opinion on it’

Not essential at all. Just gives a bit of gravitas to ones argument to have actually experienced what life is like in the bosom of that particular religion, rather than talking from an assumed viewpoint. //


That somewhat pre-supposes that anyone who has spent any time in a Muslim country is automatically conversant with the intricacies of its faith, which is nonsense.

I live in a Christian country, and have spent sixty-four yrars and counting in it - but I would not presume to pronounce on the finer points of Christian doctrrine, because I am an atheist.

// Forgive me for my preference for informed debate. //

No need to be sarcastic, everyone likes informed debate, but let's not assume that level of information to be at a particular level, especially with no evidence to support that assumption.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - // To have an opinion experience is not 'essential' - but there are opinions and opinions - and experience doesn't go amiss. //

No argument there - but there is a danger that people align experience with knowledge, which is not the same thing.

As I have pointed out previously, I have undergone eye tests and had glasses prescribed for me - it doesn't make me an optician.

[Khandro]

Reality Of Political Islam.

The reality is, Islam is 80% a political (fascist) system with 20% of religion tacked on.

[vetuste_ennemi]

That's a surprise, Hamed Abdel Samad does the Listener crossword.

[Khandro]

He probably does, and the one in Le Monde and Die Zeit :0)

[naomi24]

AH, //I have undergone eye tests and had glasses prescribed for me - it doesn't make me an optician.//

That’s because you're not trained as an optician. You can’t build a house either – because you haven’t learnt to build.

//let's not assume that level of information to be at a particular level, especially with no evidence to support that assumption.//

Assumptions are misleading. Evidence is available to anyone who looks for it.

Khandro, I’d say it’s a religion with 100% politics tacked on. The two are inseparable.

[Zacs-Master]

‘That somewhat pre-supposes that anyone who has spent any time in a Muslim country is automatically conversant with the intricacies of its faith’

You’re putting words in my mouth again. It doesn’t pre suppose anything. What it does do is make that persons argument/opinion more believable.

‘but let's not assume that level of information to be at a particular level’
Eh?

[ToraToraTora]

JM: // I wonder how many people who profess to know about Islam / Muslims have actually been to an Islamic/Muslim country? // - have you? please enlighten us fools who believe it to be backward and barbarous based on the almost daily activities of said types.

[Khandro]

... and if further proof be needed of what an Islamic fascist state looks like, last week Iranian television took of the air Be a Winner which offers prizes of a billion rials - about £18,000 - after a fatwah against such shows was imposed by Grand Ayatollah Naser Makarem- Shirazi.