The Return Of The God Hypothesis.

[Theland]

If science puts up barriers and refuses to follow truth wherever it leads, then it is left floundering for answers to the big questions, on the creation of the universe, the creation of life from inert chemicals, and the impossibility of Darwin's theory of a sing!e cell ancestor.
Do you consider yourself open minded about such matters and not constricted by a naturalistic worldview?
https://youtu.be/y02a28FrMKs

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // I doubt that I am knowledgeable enough to discuss rhe complexities of sciencce with you. //

Realistically, I am not sure Theland is either.

[Theland]

That's why we depend on scientists to share their expertise with us, the great unwashed.

But, look how the scientific academic authorities treat those who do not tow the part line. What are they afraid of? Truth?

https://youtu.be/4HErmp5Pzqw

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // What are they afraid of? Truth? //

'Truth' is the proverbial moveable feast, and what constitutes 'truth' as a lot to do with your starting position, and what you hope to gain by your personal version of 'truth' being the one adopted by the people you are keen to impress.

[Neveracrossword]

Theland, I'm sorry but your 'let's look at something I've tracked down on youtube' is never going to convince me of anything. It's easy enough to cherrypick - you've done it often enough. You may feel this is enough to back your preconceptions and assertions - I don't think the scientific community, as a whole, would agree.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - I dropped into the next in your interminable line of YouTube posts that you find from I don't know or care where, and I find some scientist trying to mix chemicals in a lab to 'jump-start' life and failing.

That's akin to throwing a salmon fillet into a river and being disappointed when it doesn't swim off to spawn.

You really are going to have to do better to obtain, never mind sustain, the interest of people you are constantly trying to win around to your point of view.

[Mozz71]

Let me rephrase it then Andy.

"I don't care enough to discuss the complexities of science with you."

[Atheist]

Theland. Why not relax and look forward to meeting your god sometime? It can't be good for you to expend so much energy and emotion trying to convert unbelievers. You've got the perfect sedative - faith. Stick with it. Best wishes, and see you on the other side.

[Old_Geezer]

What barriers ? What refusal to follow truth ? What impossibility of a single cell ancestor ? Are you sure it is science that has these issues; or is it those that criticize it ?

[Theland]

Then guide me to where the truth may be found?

[Mozz71]

As I said Theland, the "Truth" is an ongoing process. They haven't discovered an absolute truth yet, the studies continue. Not all answers are readily available. They take time.

[Theland]

Atheist, in the interests of a very friendly conversation, let's all submit our opinions and if possible back them up with evidence.
I am prepared to watch YouTube videos of scientific lectures of your choosing that takes me forward to truth.

[andy-hughes]

Mozz - // Let me rephrase it then Andy.

"I don't care enough to discuss the complexities of science with you." //

Why would you bother even thinking about discussing it with me? I'd rather roll on broken glass!

I have much better things to do with my time than discuss the science of evolution - like putting the things in my fridge in alphabetical order …

[Old_Geezer]

"no science asks for unquestioning acceptance"

As typed, that is correct, there is no science that asks for unquestioning acceptence. That is the very antithesis of what science does. However it also doesn't flit from one view to another and back on whim; convince one's peers with evidence and then the scientific understanding changes. Just claiming something seems right without back-up doesn't convince.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // I am prepared to watch YouTube videos of scientific lectures of your choosing that takes me forward to truth. //

If anyone had found 'truth', you wouldn't need to be constantly trawling the net to find clips to show people, you could sit back and watch it on the news for the next year or so.

[Old_Geezer]

Truth may be found using the scientific method.
Theoretical science is most interesting, but one has to accept the conjecture nature of it until proven beyond reasonable doubt.

[andy-hughes]

O_G - // Just claiming something seems right without back-up doesn't convince. //

It does if you have faith, in fact it's the virtual definition of faith - but of course, faith doesn't have proof, that's why it's simply belief.

I have no problem with that - just with people who think their faith has to be right, and who bang on incessantly about needing proof from 'science' when clearly there is none to be had.

[Mozz71]

Andy, I was rephrasing my reply to Theland which you quoted, not re-addressing the quote to you personally.

You're welcome.

[Theland]

O/G Then what is the latest scientific thinking on the big questions in my original post?
Its all well and good dismissing me, but why not present what you think the latest theories state, and by whom?

[vulcan42]

\\ Then guide me to where the truth may be found?//
Theland, for years you've been telling us you know the truth, now you're seeking it, what's changed?

[Atheist]

Theland. I really do think that you should stay with what you believe in. If you keep posting here, I suspect that you have 'doubts'. I do respect 'doubts', after all, science is based on doubts. I see you as a soul seeking certainty, and certainty is not available from science. You could of course accept that you have 'doubts' and yield yourself to the unknown. That takes courage, but if your original faith is correct then you will be ok; if not then you'll still be ok.