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Following on from the horrific news of a little boy killed by lightning -
I am genuinly intrigued to hread how any of our Christian contributors can begin to reconcile this tragedy with the notion that their 'loving' God, who clearly allowed it to happen, could let such a loss be felt by his parents and family.
What part of 'God's Plan' is working here?
I am genuinly intrigued to hread how any of our Christian contributors can begin to reconcile this tragedy with the notion that their 'loving' God, who clearly allowed it to happen, could let such a loss be felt by his parents and family.
What part of 'God's Plan' is working here?
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//You and I seem to be missing something, mibs. Try as I may I just can’t see anything commendable - or necessary - about this blood sacrifice. I mean, you’d think the Almighty could have come up with a more palatable solution, wouldn’t you? Tut!//
You and I seem to me to be on the same page here Naomi. I never said there was anything, "...commendable - or necessary..." about it. Would you also agree, there's no accounting for taste? The whole story stinks to high heaven to me.
You and I seem to me to be on the same page here Naomi. I never said there was anything, "...commendable - or necessary..." about it. Would you also agree, there's no accounting for taste? The whole story stinks to high heaven to me.
//You have amply demonstrated the difference in human attitudes to sin, compared to Gods.
Humans laugh it off, whilst God treats it with the utmost gravity.//
'Sin' leaves much to be desired as a moral standard. My moral standard is that which promotes independent choice; education of alternatives and consequences whilst acknowledging personal responsibility and accountability.
Condemning people for being born human to eternal damnation or blood sacrifice is no place to start in inspiring them to be their best.
Humans laugh it off, whilst God treats it with the utmost gravity.//
'Sin' leaves much to be desired as a moral standard. My moral standard is that which promotes independent choice; education of alternatives and consequences whilst acknowledging personal responsibility and accountability.
Condemning people for being born human to eternal damnation or blood sacrifice is no place to start in inspiring them to be their best.
//Sin is Gods word to describe anything that falls short of absolute perfection.//
'God' can demand perfection until 'He's' blue in the face . . . imagine that! It ain't gonna happen. As our alleged creator 'He' should have known that. Oh well, 'He' can always toss those who don't seek 'His' forgiveness into a lack of fire to burn for all eternity.
Now there's a plan!
//Therefore it is something of which we are all guilty.//
Not guilty your honour!
I don't demand 'absolute perfection' (whatever that's supposed to be) of anyone, not even myself. I know from experience that perfection is not in our pay grade as imperfect beings residing in a far from perfect universe (whatever that would be).
'God' can demand perfection until 'He's' blue in the face . . . imagine that! It ain't gonna happen. As our alleged creator 'He' should have known that. Oh well, 'He' can always toss those who don't seek 'His' forgiveness into a lack of fire to burn for all eternity.
Now there's a plan!
//Therefore it is something of which we are all guilty.//
Not guilty your honour!
I don't demand 'absolute perfection' (whatever that's supposed to be) of anyone, not even myself. I know from experience that perfection is not in our pay grade as imperfect beings residing in a far from perfect universe (whatever that would be).
Khandro - // Atheist //Khandro, could you please explain the Christian religion to us non-Christians? ..//
So you don't even understand what it is that you are opposed to?
That I would say, is bigotry of the first order. //
I have pointed out numerous times, as have others, that being an atheist does not make someone 'opposed' to Christianity.
I understand that as a fervent, your default position has to be someone who is fighting for your beliefs in a pagan world, forever doomed to wring your hands and tut because not everyone sees the world as you do.
But 'opposition'?
No way!
Atheism is simply the absence of belief, not disbelief, they are not the same thing at all.
I know you fervents thrive on an argument, even when it remains one which you can never win, but to assume that your opponents are atheists is to miss the point entirely.
As an atheist I have no issue with Christianity, even though I do not subscribe to it as a belief system.
My 'opponents' are people who give Christianity a bad name with their arrogance, posturing, talking down, rudeness, close-mindedness, superiority, and general unpleasantness when called upon for some basic evidence of why they believe as they do.
Recognise anyone from that description?
So you don't even understand what it is that you are opposed to?
That I would say, is bigotry of the first order. //
I have pointed out numerous times, as have others, that being an atheist does not make someone 'opposed' to Christianity.
I understand that as a fervent, your default position has to be someone who is fighting for your beliefs in a pagan world, forever doomed to wring your hands and tut because not everyone sees the world as you do.
But 'opposition'?
No way!
Atheism is simply the absence of belief, not disbelief, they are not the same thing at all.
I know you fervents thrive on an argument, even when it remains one which you can never win, but to assume that your opponents are atheists is to miss the point entirely.
As an atheist I have no issue with Christianity, even though I do not subscribe to it as a belief system.
My 'opponents' are people who give Christianity a bad name with their arrogance, posturing, talking down, rudeness, close-mindedness, superiority, and general unpleasantness when called upon for some basic evidence of why they believe as they do.
Recognise anyone from that description?
Theland. What was Adam and Eve's sin? Was it by any chance that they discovered how to copulate? And if they were doing what animals do - i.e. mate - why should they feel shame, and why would covering them in clothes make them feel less shameful? This whole narrative is a gross perversion of nature. The old men who decided all this stuff were really *******-up!
Do you feel that it is sinful to give and receive bodily and spiritual pleasure to someone you love?
Do you feel that it is sinful to give and receive bodily and spiritual pleasure to someone you love?
Theland - // Therefore God Himself must have shed the blood of those animals, therefore beginning the practice of shedding blood for sin. //
And how do you know that?
Saying 'God himself must have ...' indicates that actually, you have no idea, you are simply guessing.
How do you know he didn't simply pick a couple of carcasses that died of old age and use those?
Better add the question to the increasingly mountainous pile of queries that you cannot possibly answer, even though you love to assume the position of someone who thinks he can.
And how do you know that?
Saying 'God himself must have ...' indicates that actually, you have no idea, you are simply guessing.
How do you know he didn't simply pick a couple of carcasses that died of old age and use those?
Better add the question to the increasingly mountainous pile of queries that you cannot possibly answer, even though you love to assume the position of someone who thinks he can.
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