The Return Of The God Hypothesis.

[Theland]

There appears no way that the universe arose from nothing, but came from a preexisting mind, that is God.

https://youtu.be/uInJoikDgpY

It seems the atheist scientists have hit a brick wall!
Can you rescue them?

[naomi24]

You drown every time, theland - which is why you so often decide you’re not talking to me. :o)

[Canary42]

/// so many points in one post, that I have neither the time nor inclination to deal with,///

Cowardice masquerading as industry - what a laugh.

[Ellipsis]

> There appears no way that the universe arose from nothing, but came from a preexisting mind, that is God.

Essentially, then, your argument is that the universe arose from something rather than nothing.

Most scientists also argue that it arose from something, that something being energy; energy was converted into matter through the Big Bang, creating the matter that the universe now consists of.

[ToraToraTora]

you will be smitten canary! or possibly smited

[ToraToraTora]

watch this theland then stop your cobras!

[ToraToraTora]

[Paigntonian]

Surely atheists believe that nothing created something from nothing which hardly fits the laws of physics.

[ToraToraTora]

whatever gave you that idea paigntonian? Atheism is the absence of belief.

[ToraToraTora]

this is classic:

[ToraToraTora]

I love this bit, "there should not be a word for Atheism, you don't need it, there is not a word for not believing in fairies...." wonderful!

[mibn2cweus]

//The further back they drill, the atheist scientists invoke something, rather than nothing, and that something is a mind, the only known source of created information.//

Information is inherently incomplete. You can describe how to make a custard pie or what a universe is until the chickens come home to roost but you invariably end up empty handed . . . although not necessarily clean faced.

Information is a (not necessary correct and never complete) description of reality. Information does not create reality. Information (with any luck) is about reality.

The mind is a product of the universe. Not the creator of the universe.
The mind acquires information from observing some aspect of the universe. The mind can not wish anything, let alone itself, into being.

[ToraToraTora]

here's another cracker:

[poorclare]

Theland

For someone who has neither the time or the inclination to deal
with the points ~ you sure spend a lot of time waffling on.

God Bless you

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // If you walk into a freshly painted room with the brushes still lieing about, your logic and reason would lead you to conclude that a painter and decorator had done it, unless the brushes were Harry Potters.
Similarly, a universe with about thirty odd finely tuned cosmic constants, DNA coding for ACGT, your logic and reason should lead you to conclude that a mind originated it all. //

As a comparison, that doesn't stand up for a single moment!!

I am not a scientist, so I don;t know how the universe was created.

I am not a Christian, so I don't believe that God created the universe.

But I am a home owner, and I do know what a freshy painted room looks like, and I understand the mechanisms of a decorator and paints and brushes necessary to create one.

That means that your comparison is futile - obviously I understand a painted room and what is involved, but how you get from that to assuming (and you do assume because no-one knows) that God created the universe is a leap you alone are making.

And as I have said before, you make the leap because it brings you to where you want to be - a Christian who wants to believe that God created the universe.

But once again, believing something, and creating an unworkable comparison to try and make it fit is not logic, or science.

You believe it, which is fine, but using examples like this, you haven't a hope of convincing an atheist that your belief is sound.

[Theland]

Ricky Gervais?
No thanks! The man is funny to those with a sickness!

[Theland]

Now the atheists come crowding in with a list of points and criticisms when they are not answered.
Their problem not mine.

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Now the atheists come crowding in with a list of points and criticisms when they are not answered. //

Clearly in a debate, a contrary position must be taken, otherwise everyone would agree with anyone else.

If your faith is as wonderful and life-affirming as you areso endlessly keewn to tell us it is, then surely it is strong enough to stand a little light interrogation about the claims and illustrations you offer.

// Their problem not mine. //

If it's not your problem, why do you originate threads like this, and then get all tetchy when people challenge you for your wildy fantastival illustrations which don't bear a second's scrutiny?

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Ricky Gervais?
No thanks! The man is funny to those with a sickness! //

You may not find Mr Gervais funny, but to infer that people who do are in some way afflicted is offensive, and unbecoming of someone who claims to espouse Christian beliefs.

[nailit]

//There appears no way that the universe arose from nothing, but came from a preexisting mind, that is God.//

Praise Krishna.