Time Travel

[naomi24]

Have you seen this?

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-234 36044-details/The+world%27s+first+time+machine +Tunnel+to+the+past+could+open+door+to+future+ within+three+months%2C+say+Russians/article.do

....... and can it really work? Your thoughts please.

[luna-tic]

Hello Naomi, Just before I tranfered onto AB I was looking at this...ooh! Sychronicity!

http://www.scitech.ac.uk/PMC/PRel/STFC/timemac hine.aspx

Sorry if the link doesn't work like yours Naomi but I don't know how to do that.

To answer your question. The possibilities are endless, If it doesn't work today then maybe in years to come, it will.

[naomi24]

Hi Luny, the link works fine, so you've done it.

Do you think time travel is possible? I suppose what I mean is, do you think the 'future' is already there - somewhere?

[Whickerman]

See, the only thing is this. If, sometime in the future, a time machine that allows humans move between eras was ever to be invented, we'd know about it by now...

[Teddio]

The Large Hadron Collider near Geneva will produce collisions between subatomic particles of enormous energy. It is possible that such extreme conditions haven't existed in our Universe since a millionth of a second or so after the Big Bang (ca. 14000 million years ago) If no laws of Physics are violated then time travel, as described by the Russians, is a possibility.
Einstein's Law of Special Relativity describes the counter-intuitive concept of time dilation. It is possible for a daughter to become older than her mother if the mother went for a spin in a spacecraft at speeds close to the speed of light and the daughter stayed on Earth. This is a form of time travel. " Tempus fugit! "

[styley]

It doesn't make sense to time travel because if you time travel to resolve a certain issue and you go back and resolve the issue then it won't have ever been an issue in the first place so therefore you wouldn't have had to resolve it, but if that's the case it will have been an issue as you didn't resolve it and such.

[bensmum]

This makes my brain hurt! I'm not the most scientific of people but I would have to agree with whickerman.

[luna-tic]

That's a tricky one Naomi, Humans personally change everything around them by their actions,thoughts,feelings and maybe further so that is altering life but to physically move an object or life form to another time, I suppose we have to ask , Is the future a place?
Mediums can tell us about our deceased loved ones or past events in our own lives and some people have managed to fortell future events.How do they know about the future?
Just because the human mind can't conceive something doesn't mean it isn't possible.
One thing that bother's me though is, surely anyone travelling to the future has to be completely cocooned within the machine or everything around them would change aswell. What if there was no coming back?

[naomi24]

Whicker, I think one of the questions asked was 'If time travel is possible, why haven't people from the future come back?' Mmmm ... maybe they have, but perhaps they're not telling us. The biblical God springs to mind. :o)

Teddio, yes I know about time dilation - but does the future already exist?

Styley, according to Einstein, a time machine wouldn't allow you to go back further than the date the time machine was invented, so at the moment there's no question of going back to resolve issues.

Luna, I would assume that everything around them would change as they travelled through time. If it is possible to travel into the future, I don't think of it as a place. If I consider the possibility at all, I think of it as a parallel universe. When I read this article, I wondered about coming back too. It's mind-boggling, isn't it?

Bensmum, my brain hurts too!! It's fascinating stuff though.

[luna-tic]

Morning Naomi, Last night I had quite a few dreams and most of them seemed so real but they were of past events. I wonder what the consequences to our present lives would be if we could travel back. I don't think I'd want to change anything because my actions were my choice.

So, as you said, if the parallel universe, which I agree with is there; Would that mean there is no such thing as time?

[naomi24]

Morning Luna, that's a big question. There appear to be several different theories. Have a look here

http://www.iep.utm.edu/t/time.htm

[luna-tic]

After quickly scanning most of the theories relevant to your thread. I have come to the conclusion that they (the scientists) don't know either.
Back to square one Naomi......or is it forward?
I suppose we could also ask, apart from our external,physical frame. Do we really age?
Mmmm...more questions.
Sorry, I keep hijacking your threads.
Brilliant question Naomi and one that can manifest into thousands more.
:0)

[naomi24]

Ha! Sounds like we don't know whether we're coming or going! Nothing new there where I'm concerned!

[chakka35]

"Mediums can tell us about our deceased loved ones"

Have you any evidence of this, luna-tic, or must we regretfully assume that you chose the right AB name?

[naomi24]

Hello Chakka, you know Luna doesn't have evidence, and neither do I, but like me, he does have his own experiences. You may have no experience of such things, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. As I've said before, unless you know for sure - and you don't - then, if you're honest, all you can say is you don't know.

[mibn2cweus]

I believe what we're looking at here is the realisation of methods to recreate features of a past event, the very early stages of "The Big Bang", rather than actually returning to a former time. Let's just hope they do not recreate the full scenerio while engaged in their explorations into the workings of our universe . . . not that there's anything wrong with that.

Perhaps sooner or later it is inevitable that we will become the gods worshipped as creators of a future universe. "Whoops! Turned the wrong dial . . . again?"

[chakka35]

But naomi, luna-tic does not say that he has had experiences which lead him to believe etc etc. He makes a very specific claim that "mediums can tell us about our deceased loved ones".

Now I have read about the many investigations that have been conducted into things like ESP, faith-healing, dowsing, homeopathy and similar alleged powers, including mediumship.
As far as I know, all the tricks and deceptions that mediums get up to are well known, and no-one has yet produced any evidence that their claims to be able to contact the dead are anything buy fraudulent.

But I am willing to learn of any evidence that shows the contrary, and since luna-tic seemed so confident in the matter it seemed reasonable to ask him.

[naomi24]

Sorry Chakka, I thought you would have remembered Luna saying in the past that he's had what he feels are positive experiences with mediums. He might be along later to explain it himself.

Yes there are a lot of tricks and deceptions - probably 99% (or more!) of these things amount to tricks and deceptions, but in my experience there are some incidents that can't be explained - and I wish they could. I don't know how it happens, but I believe it does - in fact, I know it does, but I'd like to see some firm evidence too - if only to appease the dissenters!! :o)

[naomi24]

Mib and Chakka Out of interest, do you believe it's possible that the future is already there? Personally, I can't see how that would work, but I'd like to know what you think.

[chakka35]

naomi, let luna give me his evidence; that's all I ask. These things have been investigated so thoroughly that if anyone has some conflicting evidence then they should produce it so that we can all assess it.

No, I don't believe that the future is already here, whatever that means. I wasn't going to take part in the nonsense about time-travel, but since you ask me....

[naomi24]

Ah, yes, Chakka, you have us there. Evidence - that all elusive element.

Thanks for your opinion on time travel. My thoughts precisely.