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Naomi what is your question?
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I am doing this to make sure that all of us remember that I gave Naomi answer to her question. Because as a very old style propaganda she keeps on saying this on every thread that I have not answered her question. Just to give people wrong impression, I know.
So I decided that I better give her answer on a different thread. I am 100% sure even then she would not admit it.
So I decided that I better give her answer on a different thread. I am 100% sure even then she would not admit it.
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Waldo, No doubt it's getting on everyone's nerves, but none more than mine, I can assure you. However, if the need arises, like anyone else, including you, I will defend myself, and I make no apology for that. It's a cross we all have to bear occasionally. :o)
Keyplus, do please stop being so silly. This is utterly ridiculous. You haven't answered my question, and anyone reading the 'Internet Atheists' thread can clearly see you haven't answered it, so although you may think you're fooling people with this continual nonsense, you aren't. Nevertheless, in an effort to oblige, I'll repeat the question here as you've requested, and I would very much appreciate an answer.
Keyplus I think the best way to judge any faith if it is right or wrong, you have to look into their religious scriptures............
Naomi But you haven't done that, have you, so how did you decide which religion to follow?
Keyplus, do please stop being so silly. This is utterly ridiculous. You haven't answered my question, and anyone reading the 'Internet Atheists' thread can clearly see you haven't answered it, so although you may think you're fooling people with this continual nonsense, you aren't. Nevertheless, in an effort to oblige, I'll repeat the question here as you've requested, and I would very much appreciate an answer.
Keyplus I think the best way to judge any faith if it is right or wrong, you have to look into their religious scriptures............
Naomi But you haven't done that, have you, so how did you decide which religion to follow?
Oh really, am I really getting on everyone�s nerves or am I getting on your nerves only? I thought you were woman of knowledge, caliber, endurance and all those words.
Or is it that ever time you try spreading some propaganda and add isn�t it at the end of your rant then people are supposed to give attention to it otherwise they are ignorant, without competitive or sound knowledge, no sense of debate or so on. Or is it that those people are just not giving you enough importance as they know what you are. I do like your style though, be nice and get to know people and then use the things they say against them when time comes.
naomi24
Mon 20/10/08
17:57 Keyplus I think the best way to judge any faith if it is right or wrong, you have to look into their religious scriptures............
But you haven't done that, have you, so how did you decide which religion to follow?
Do you really think I need certificate of assurance from you to confirm what I know and what I do not. The one who does not understand what is the joke and what is serious. Remember page 3. And go back and see how many times you brought that in when talking about any thing. You could not even understand that it was a joke. However even it was serious still do you have problem with that? Why don�t you write to SUN newspaper on you headed paper.
Now do not try answering this back on this thread as I would not even look at it. I do not want to waste others time as my mentality is a bit different than yours.
Sorry all others. Just ignore this all.
Or is it that ever time you try spreading some propaganda and add isn�t it at the end of your rant then people are supposed to give attention to it otherwise they are ignorant, without competitive or sound knowledge, no sense of debate or so on. Or is it that those people are just not giving you enough importance as they know what you are. I do like your style though, be nice and get to know people and then use the things they say against them when time comes.
naomi24
Mon 20/10/08
17:57 Keyplus I think the best way to judge any faith if it is right or wrong, you have to look into their religious scriptures............
But you haven't done that, have you, so how did you decide which religion to follow?
Do you really think I need certificate of assurance from you to confirm what I know and what I do not. The one who does not understand what is the joke and what is serious. Remember page 3. And go back and see how many times you brought that in when talking about any thing. You could not even understand that it was a joke. However even it was serious still do you have problem with that? Why don�t you write to SUN newspaper on you headed paper.
Now do not try answering this back on this thread as I would not even look at it. I do not want to waste others time as my mentality is a bit different than yours.
Sorry all others. Just ignore this all.
Well, Keyplus, if you`ve calmed down enough to read this, it does seem to me that there`s unfinished business here. After all, you did start this thread asking Naomi what is her question? You didn`t answer it in the other thread and if you didn`t want to you should have said so.
I enjoyed reading the other long thread and getting to know everyone`s thoughts on the subject and how they`d deal with them when the subject was brought up.
Maybe it`s time for a break, coffee and biscuit, then shake hands.
I enjoyed reading the other long thread and getting to know everyone`s thoughts on the subject and how they`d deal with them when the subject was brought up.
Maybe it`s time for a break, coffee and biscuit, then shake hands.
I've just seen this, and I'm perplexed. You admire him for standing up to what, Jock? There's nothing here for him to stand up to. He's a devious little man who started this thread simply to cause trouble. What's to admire in that?
Keyplus, despite saying you wouldn't visit this thread again, you've left a trail of stars (some rather confusing) so it's obvious you couldn't resist it, and therefore I will answer your question. Yes, I remember Page 3 and I've mentioned it probably as often as you have, simply because you denigrate the west for it's liberal lifestyle - in fact you've even told me to take up wearing the burka - but you don't mind looking, and you're happy to throw in a jovial nudge nudge joke whenever you think it might curry favour with others - and that's why I've pointed out your blatant double standards. If you don't want people to pick you up on what you've said, then you should think more carefully before you press 'submit'.
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Keyplus, despite saying you wouldn't visit this thread again, you've left a trail of stars (some rather confusing) so it's obvious you couldn't resist it, and therefore I will answer your question. Yes, I remember Page 3 and I've mentioned it probably as often as you have, simply because you denigrate the west for it's liberal lifestyle - in fact you've even told me to take up wearing the burka - but you don't mind looking, and you're happy to throw in a jovial nudge nudge joke whenever you think it might curry favour with others - and that's why I've pointed out your blatant double standards. If you don't want people to pick you up on what you've said, then you should think more carefully before you press 'submit'.
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I've ignored Ghetto Poet's stupid comment since stupidity is what I've come to expect of him. The last time he made this accusation, he produced a remark that someone else had made to prove his point, so it comes as no surprise that your misogynistic nonsense fools him. I am, however, surprised that it fools anyone else, but since Jock admires your stance, apparently it does.
You're right, Keyplus - your mentality is different to mine - thank goodness. I've asked you many times to stop this nonsense, and I can only hope that you will now manage to muster up a vestige of dignity and stop behaving like an overgrown schoolboy. If you don't, then make no mistake - I will continue to defend myself whenever the need arises.
For fans of Occam's Razor, I'd say there's a good chance of Keyplus reading this, so we can only hope that this will be an end to it, and that he will, in future, contribute to debates in a more sensible manner - and give us all a bit of peace!
I've ignored Ghetto Poet's stupid comment since stupidity is what I've come to expect of him. The last time he made this accusation, he produced a remark that someone else had made to prove his point, so it comes as no surprise that your misogynistic nonsense fools him. I am, however, surprised that it fools anyone else, but since Jock admires your stance, apparently it does.
You're right, Keyplus - your mentality is different to mine - thank goodness. I've asked you many times to stop this nonsense, and I can only hope that you will now manage to muster up a vestige of dignity and stop behaving like an overgrown schoolboy. If you don't, then make no mistake - I will continue to defend myself whenever the need arises.
For fans of Occam's Razor, I'd say there's a good chance of Keyplus reading this, so we can only hope that this will be an end to it, and that he will, in future, contribute to debates in a more sensible manner - and give us all a bit of peace!
Of course I will read this and will appreciate people speaking truth. I know very well that sensible contribution to debates would only be where I will second you for every thing, even rubbish.
In the end it does seem like that it did hurt. And at least people will understand in the future what you are on about when you would say keyplus has not answered my question where we all know there is no question at all but propaganda. One thing I would say that I have never asked my own wife to wear burka so why would I���?
In the end I do appreciate all others who showed their feelings genuinely and contributed sensibly to this thread.
In the end it does seem like that it did hurt. And at least people will understand in the future what you are on about when you would say keyplus has not answered my question where we all know there is no question at all but propaganda. One thing I would say that I have never asked my own wife to wear burka so why would I���?
In the end I do appreciate all others who showed their feelings genuinely and contributed sensibly to this thread.
I have no objection to anyone disagreeing with me - that�s the nature of debate - but I find it tedious to attempt to hold a sensible discussion with someone who continually and deliberately attempts to undermine all those who disagree with him, and whose dialogue swiftly turns to childish taunts clearly more suited to the schoolyard.
No, Keyplus, sorry to disappoint you, but nothing said on AB hurts me. I said I'm perplexed, and that�s what I meant. I thought Jock was more astute.
What on earth are you talking about? If I say you haven�t answered a question, you haven�t. Of course there was a question - a perfectly reasonable question - which at your request I repeated here. According to you, everything that disagrees with your view - or in the case of this question, puts you on the spot - is propaganda, including that which is reported by the media - and you call it propaganda because your arguments don't stand up to scrutiny.
Incidentally, you may not have asked your wife to wear a burka, but as I said, you most certainly asked me to wear one.
keyplus90
Tue 19/02/08
16:01
If you dress like Muslim women your expenditure on Face lift, Boob Job, Liposuction Botox, and so on would almost diminish. Trust me, Try just once. And I am sure your husband would still love you.
Now for heaven�s sake, grow up, stop making a fool of yourself, and make the most of what little dignity you have left. Enough.
No, Keyplus, sorry to disappoint you, but nothing said on AB hurts me. I said I'm perplexed, and that�s what I meant. I thought Jock was more astute.
What on earth are you talking about? If I say you haven�t answered a question, you haven�t. Of course there was a question - a perfectly reasonable question - which at your request I repeated here. According to you, everything that disagrees with your view - or in the case of this question, puts you on the spot - is propaganda, including that which is reported by the media - and you call it propaganda because your arguments don't stand up to scrutiny.
Incidentally, you may not have asked your wife to wear a burka, but as I said, you most certainly asked me to wear one.
keyplus90
Tue 19/02/08
16:01
If you dress like Muslim women your expenditure on Face lift, Boob Job, Liposuction Botox, and so on would almost diminish. Trust me, Try just once. And I am sure your husband would still love you.
Now for heaven�s sake, grow up, stop making a fool of yourself, and make the most of what little dignity you have left. Enough.
I wish that sometime you post a whole link or at least with context. You posted a bit of my post and I decided to post all of it. Pleased to see myself that even then I was saying what I am saying to you now and even then you were pretending the same way as you are pretending now. Good that you are consistently ignorant.
keyplus90
Tue 19/02/08
16:01 Thanks for highlighting that JJ- And that is what Islam stops a person from. Everyone knows what is happening here because of Drinking, and everyone knows that Islam is against drinking. But only if someone does not want to agree with only this point and say "Oh Muslims drink as well and they are women Oppressors". Then Very simply you are trying to accept the reality and change the subject.
Naomi - I have answered your question so many times and there you go once more in BOLD LETTERS. ISLAM DOES NOT SAY A WOMAN SHOULD COVER HER FACE. BUT,
1 - IT IS CULTURAL, YOU GO TO FEW ASIAN COUNTRIES AND YOU WOULD SEE EVEN NON MUSLIM WOMEN WEARING BURQAH (FULL COVER).
Now you would say, they must be doing with the fear of getting beheaded.
2 - In Islam Women does not have to show her �ASSETS� to look beautiful. Now I do not know if that is respect of woman or oppression against her human rights.
3 � Has anyone here ever asked a Muslim Woman why she covers herself, I think by objecting it we are intruding her human rights.
4 � If you dress like Muslim women your expenditure on Face lift, Boob Job, Liposuction Botox, and so on would almost diminish. Trust me, Try just once. And I am sure your husband would still love you. Because husband should love to REAL YOU and not the plastic.
But I know for sure that you will keep wasting people�s time.
keyplus90
Tue 19/02/08
16:01 Thanks for highlighting that JJ- And that is what Islam stops a person from. Everyone knows what is happening here because of Drinking, and everyone knows that Islam is against drinking. But only if someone does not want to agree with only this point and say "Oh Muslims drink as well and they are women Oppressors". Then Very simply you are trying to accept the reality and change the subject.
Naomi - I have answered your question so many times and there you go once more in BOLD LETTERS. ISLAM DOES NOT SAY A WOMAN SHOULD COVER HER FACE. BUT,
1 - IT IS CULTURAL, YOU GO TO FEW ASIAN COUNTRIES AND YOU WOULD SEE EVEN NON MUSLIM WOMEN WEARING BURQAH (FULL COVER).
Now you would say, they must be doing with the fear of getting beheaded.
2 - In Islam Women does not have to show her �ASSETS� to look beautiful. Now I do not know if that is respect of woman or oppression against her human rights.
3 � Has anyone here ever asked a Muslim Woman why she covers herself, I think by objecting it we are intruding her human rights.
4 � If you dress like Muslim women your expenditure on Face lift, Boob Job, Liposuction Botox, and so on would almost diminish. Trust me, Try just once. And I am sure your husband would still love you. Because husband should love to REAL YOU and not the plastic.
But I know for sure that you will keep wasting people�s time.
There was no point in posting the whole link, since all we were concerned with was the issue of the burka. However, since you�ve insisted on posting it clearly to extend your futile attempts to discredit me, and since you want it put into context, that�s fine by me - let�s put it into context. Examine the thread a little more closely, and you will see that I had already agreed that Islam doesn�t compel women to cover from head to foot, and my question wasn�t addressed to you anyway. Nevertheless, a little while later along you came with the ridiculously unnecessary rant that you�ve copied here. Here�s the question.
naomi24
Tue 19/02/08
15:02
So, Peace, if the hijaab leaves the face, and the hands to the wrist, exposed, and that's all the Koran says is necessary, why do we see women covered in black from head to foot with two little slits in their veil for them to see through? I asked this question of Keyplus, but I'd be interested in your answer too. (Unless of course, you are Keyplus?).
And what a fertile imagination you have, Keyplus. Where you get ideas like this from I really can�t imagine. Now you would say, they must be doing with the fear of getting beheaded.
Who�s ignorant, Keyplus? What a very silly little man you are. You really do make it up as you go along, don�t you.
This is now becoming incredibly tedious, so before you make an even bigger fool of yourself, do us both a favour - just give it up and go away.
naomi24
Tue 19/02/08
15:02
So, Peace, if the hijaab leaves the face, and the hands to the wrist, exposed, and that's all the Koran says is necessary, why do we see women covered in black from head to foot with two little slits in their veil for them to see through? I asked this question of Keyplus, but I'd be interested in your answer too. (Unless of course, you are Keyplus?).
And what a fertile imagination you have, Keyplus. Where you get ideas like this from I really can�t imagine. Now you would say, they must be doing with the fear of getting beheaded.
Who�s ignorant, Keyplus? What a very silly little man you are. You really do make it up as you go along, don�t you.
This is now becoming incredibly tedious, so before you make an even bigger fool of yourself, do us both a favour - just give it up and go away.
I liked the last sentence or should I call it a plea. just give it up and go away. Good impression. But I do know and can see very clearly at least in last one year since I bumped into AB that there is no Muslims to answer you false propaganda the way I am doing. So of course many do not and would not like me here. I know that. But I did say before that its not going to happen. Good bye ��.
Only from this thread.
Only from this thread.
Good heavens! Has it really taken you a week to think of that answer? You needn�t have bothered, Keyplus. You�re not demonstrating my ignorance - you�re demonstrating your own. The reference to the Koran came from your Muslim friend, Peace123, and I was merely reiterating his words.
Peace123
Tue 19/02/08
14:26
���.. the Islamic hijaab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. ���.The Qur�an rightly says that hijaab prevents women from being molested.
What false propaganda are you talking about? Every time you try to discredit me, you fall flat on your face, so where�s this propaganda you�re so keen to expose? Simply, it doesn�t exist. When you first came to AB, we genuinely welcomed you, and your input. In fact, this is what I said.
naomi24
Fri 08/02/08
23:01
���. Personally, I think it's good to have a Muslim contributing to R&S - even though, as a divorced and remarried woman, I expect I'd be an adultress in his eyes. I can take that - it's still good to have other points of view expressed here. The only way people of different cultures will ever have a hope of understanding each other, and of living in peace together, is to communicate in a civilised manner.
However, since then you have proven time and time again that you have absolutely nothing to be proud of in the way you answer me, Keyplus, because you find it impossible to conduct a discussion without resorting to personal and childish insults, and blatant lies, and in doing so you consistently make a fool of yourself. Any other Muslim would, I hope, possess a great deal more dignity and a good deal more common sense.
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