Atheism

[123everton]

What good has atheism done for the world?

[naomi24]

I'd like to hear the answer to Dave's original question - from all who claim a religion.

Why are you right and the other Theists wrong?

[WaldoMcFroog]

Dear Skyplus,

Shall I set up a new thread to detail just some of the many ways in which the Koran is wrong, rather than derail this with loads of posts of you going 'la la la, I can't hear you, and you hide behind a screen name ergo you must be wrong" and other great responses?

Love and big girly kisses on the bottom,

Waldo

[keyplus90]

Waldo - among blinds one eyed is usually a king. You might be a first class cricketer among club level players when it comes to science. But do not try talking like a world level Test player. We have been here before.

My knowledge about Islam may not be very deep but truth does not need to be written in gold so I can answer most of your queries about Quran. However if you think that you have something to prove then why don't you come out of your attic and challenge few renowned Scholars of Islam. And as usual here is one (yes my favourite as you say). Get in touch with him and arrange a face to face debate to prove mistakes in Quran.

http://www.irf.net/irf/main.htm

But just a bit of advice, he may not even read your email as he has answered question from the people who knew science, Arabic as well as Quran ins and outs.

Or I can give you a free copy of uncut version of his debate with Dr William Cambel who not only was a renowned priest, medical doctor by profession but also did not need an interpreter to understand Quran and knew Arabic.

So if you are a world level players then come on and play at world level and not on a website called AB.

I hope its not too much for you to digest.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Coward.

[keyplus90]

That did make me laugh.

[naomi24]

Mmm.... seems Waldo has a point, Keyplus. It hardly seems fair that you, being the voice of Islam in R&S, immediately pass the buck when the chips are down. I think your credibility demands that you put your money where your mouth is, as they say.

[keyplus90]

keyplus90
Fri 28/11/08
22:05 Waldo - among blinds one eyed is usually a king. You might be a first class cricketer among club level players when it comes to science. But do not try talking like a world level Test player. We have been here before.

My knowledge about Islam may not be very deep but truth does not need to be written in gold so I can answer most of your queries about Quran.

Read it again. Don't pick and chose.

[naomi24]

Ok, I've read it again, but nothing's changed. I still don't know why are you're giving links unless it's to back you up.

[naomi24]

Sorry, just read that again. Should have said 'why you're giving links'.

[sherminator]

So let me get this straight Keyplus, you admit that your knowldge of the quran isnt as good as this other guy.....
so your basing your faith in him then?

your worldly beliefs are therefore based on some other humans interpretation?

[keyplus90]

Sherminator - I am sorry but I have to say that is a very stupid thing to say. Did you gain any knowledge, from any one, or were you born knowing what you know now.

Or tell me what your line of profession or speciality is and I will give you a list of people who must be master of that line or profession.

So I don't think there is any thing wrong in admitting that a doctor knows better than me (being an accountant) that why I have headache. And then within doctors who would you trust for your heart problem,

1 � Your GP who is a simple MBBS
2 � A heart specialist.

Although both are doctors.

You tell me?

[naomi24]

I don't think that's a stupid thing to say, Sherminator. I think it's a very rational thing to say. That is precisely what people of religion do. Keyplus compares a medical doctor to a teacher of religion, but there is no comparison, since, unlike the teacher, the doctor's methods can be demonstrated to be valid, and they stand up to scrutiny. Additionally, the information imparted by the teacher is available to anyone who cares to read the ancient texts, but since none of those texts carry the slightest element of proof, they are all interpreted differently. That's exactly why there are so many Christian sects, and that's exactly why Keyplus, a devout Muslim will say that Islam is a religion of peace, but the suicide bomber, also believing he's a devout Muslim, will hold a vastly opposing view - and both opinions, as contradictory as they are, come directly from the teachers that each man has listened to and believed. So the question is, which of these teachers can be believed? The answer has to be none of them, because none of them can possibly authenticate their philosophy.

[naomi24]

Hello Luna - sorry, didn't see you there. :o)

[chakka35]

naomi your post of 17.24 was superb. An absolute cracker. Have a gin.

[keyplus90]

Naomi - Did you read what Chakka said at 12:26. That is exactly what few parents do at school games even if their child does not get to the fininsh line in egg spoon race. Bit of appreciation does a lot good.

Any way just to let you know as you asked earlier. My wife gave bith to a baby boy last night.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, Congratulations. I hope your wife and baby are both well.

Yes, I've read what Chakka has written - thank you Chakka. However, you seem to think my assessment was inaccurate, which leaves us with a bit of a quandary. Clearly within Christianity, teachers influence their pupils differently, otherwise we wouldn't have so many assorted sects. No one could dispute that - it's simple logic.

As far as Islam is concerned, the world knows from appalling experience that the suicide bomber isn't a man of peace. Sadly that is proven beyond doubt, so no one could possibly dispute that either. Now here comes the quandary. If Islamic teachers don't influence their students in different ways, which is what you appear to be saying, then it follows that Islamic religious education is consistent across the board. Therefore, the logical conclusion must be that I am mistaken is saying that you view Islam as a religion of peace, and that you are, in fact, of the same mind as the suicide bomber. Is that what you're saying?

[123everton]

I love the notion of the logical atheists against the irrational religionists, makes me chuckle.
Take the MMR vaccine (or don't as the case maybe) proven to be safe and now we're faced wth a measles epidemic, because "logicians" disagree with the pretexts and formulas that they usually espouse.
In philosophy who ever is right?
You decide what's right for you, what works for you and (with some) be damned for it.
Religion has inspired great works, great buildings, great study of the stars, great paintings, great hospitals it has inspired people to create peace (that should wake you all up) and even if an Atheist sculptured the Venus De Milo or built the pyramids, religion was the muse.
Congratulations on the baby Keyplus, I hope you're all well.