Religeon strikes again!

[The Sherman]

they have just killed a doctor for aborting babies!!!

When do we finally get rid of religeon?

What will it take to actually stop your pathetic amoral groups of terrorists?

[The Sherman]

hahaha no my own made up words are better!

i do need to stop posting at work, I always psot and type so quickly that my fragile little mind makes silly mistakes and I never re-read what I type!

[Ankou]

if we got rid of religion it might have helped the doctor. he was on his way to church at the time.

even so, how do you know for a fact that george tiller is religious or is acting from a religious perspective ? do you know somehitn we don t?

[naomi24]

Ankou, It seems we do know something you don't. George Tiller is not the murderer - he's the victim.

This from here. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jun/01/us -abortion-doctor-shooting-murder

A 51-year-old suspect in the shooting, named as Scott Roeder, was later arrested and charged with first-degree murder and two charges of aggravated assault, according to the Associated Press............

..........Someone posting to the website of Operation Rescue in May 2007 used the name "Scott Roeder" in response to a planned vigil to "pray for an end to George R Tiller's late-term abortion business".
It said: "Bleass [sic] everyone for attending and praying in May to bring justice to Tiller and the closing of his death camp. Sometime soon, would it be feasible to organise as many people as possible to attend Tillers [sic] church (inside, not just outside) to have much more of a presence and possibly ask questions of the Pastor, Deacons, Elders and members while there? Doesn't seem like it would hurt anything but bring more attention to Tiller."

If it's the same Scott Roeder, he sounds religious to me.

[The Sherman]

Cheers Naomi I didnt honestly know but I would have bet even if the odds were a million to one!

[Ankou]

ah right. nutters. seems its not ok for the doc to "take a life" but ok for them ?

[The Sherman]

The doctor never took a life? hoe can he have taken a life when it wasnt even born yet? and also you think that they were justified?

This is brilliant I can't wait to hear this! Please please justify how if your pro life you can kill someone?

[naomi24]

I also found this, reported in today's Telegraph, and if it is accurate, then he is most definitely religious. He may also be the same Scott Roeder who, as a member of the Freemen, an anti-federalist Christian militia group, was jailed for 16 months in Kansas in 1997.

It seems George Teller was killed because his clinic carries out late term abortions - after 21 weeks - when many babies would be capable of being born alive. According to the 20 Weeks Campaign statistics, in top neonatal units 80% of babies born at 24 weeks, and 66% born at 23 weeks, will survive, so I'd say at this stage, there's no doubt that these babies can be considered 'a life' - even if they aren't born. Having said that, I wouldn't in any way condone this murder, and in actual fact I had the same thought as Ankou. If these people believe that murder is wrong, how can the perpetrator of this crime justify his actions? I can only presume he feels that by killing George Teller, he is saving the lives of countless unborn children.

[Ankou]

youll notice i put take a life in " ". thats the terminology these anti abortionists use so i was really referring to their own contradiction.

sheman, i imagine you must be thrilled and quite possibly so excited that you wet yourself now that i have responded.

[naomi24]

Ankou, I presume your first paragraph is in response to my post, and if so, I don't think you're paying attention. I understood precisely what you meant - and I agreed with you.

[Ankou]

have you been drinking ? thats the second time youve insulted me in ten minutes. get a life for crying out loud.

my entire response at 22.52 was to sheman. clear ?

[naomi24]

Well, I'm not sure what 'Get a life' means in relation to this thread - but you addressed Sherman by name at the beginning of your second paragraph, not your first.- hence the confusion.

[theway]

The doctor most certainly has taken many lives. The moment a fetus is formed it is alive. If it were not alive the the mother would have to remove ii or she would have problems. I do not justify the doctors's murder. But neither do I justify the doctor's behavior. But in all this everyone forgets the women who chooses abortion. They also are in the wrong.

Abortion is killing babies period.

[jake-the-peg]

The moment a foetus is formed it is alive?

Really Theway? you mean in the same say that say a tree is alive?

This especially brings to mind Stephen weinberg's quote

Without religion Good people will still do good things;
Bad people will do bad things.

But for good people to do bad things - that takes religion!

[naomi24]

theway, I don't like the idea of abortion either, but women's circumstances and medical conditions differ, and we have to be realistic. I don't believe we are entitled to assume the moral high ground in judging anyone unless we have been in their shoes.

[theway]

There is Judging from my part. It is a different issue if the woman's health condition was affected and it is a risk to her life to have a baby. I surely did not talk about such people. But there are those who do not understand that one needs to think before acting. I was talking about such people.

[naomi24]

Make no mistake, very many women think very seriously - and are tormented by that often unavoidable decision for the rest of their lives.

So according to you, abortion is acceptable if the mother's life is at risk, but tell me, what qualifies you to judge who should live and who should die - and what, in your estimation, makes one life more valuable, or more worthy, than another?

[Ankou]

i think you can - and its perfectly acceptable - to judge the reasons for the decision but not neccesearily to judge the women and doctors who made these decisions.

the reasons vary over time, but everyone is in a different state at different times in their life. for most women (and often the patrners) their own sense of loss or guilt is enough and the memory will always be somewhere in thier subconscious, woithout everyone esle feeling the need to pillory, point and shout at them as well.

[theway]

First there was a typing mistake in my post. It should read "There is no Judging...".

Secondly I did not say it is ok to abort if the woman's life is at risk. I said " It is a different issue if the woman's health....." Meaning if a woman's health is at risk and if she decides to abort then it is a different issue and we cannot victimize the woman.

Both lives are equally valuable and there is no question about it. I do not support abortion in any way. I was just saying no one has the right to take a life.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Is Theway Theland with a new log in?