If evolution is fact.....

[sherminator]

Do you think that god evolves as well (obv assuming there is one)

[society]

Proof of the existence of evolution = proof God exist.

[WaldoMcFroog]

I'm with Old Geezer. It's tantamount to asking "If most Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?"

Another good reason to get hacked off with it is that it's a question that gets passed around in Creotard websites and publications as a witty thing to say to people who accept evolution, mostly by people who have been told time and time again why this is a stupid question and whom should know better than to try and brainwash others with it. Even some of the major creationist sites now recognise this question is mindbendingly dumb: http://creation.com/a...onists-should-not-use

[Erin-Rose-x]

It's about time the human's brain evolved and become more rational and not believe in myth :l

[Davethedog]

Society No it isn't.

Christian religions de-cry evoloution Not only that given the reinvention by "creationists" (though Waldo's description is better) everything is gods work.

So your wrong from every view point.

[jno]

Old_Geezer, if something's self-evident you don't need theory; that's what "self"-evident means. But my wider point was about not confusing stupidity and ignorance. Not everybody knows everything, which is why AB exists. No need for anyone to suggest zzxxee is a 'creotard'.

[smart1]

If evolution was fact - how come I don'y have 4 hands???

[smart1]

don't*

[Davethedog]

Because you only have one brain - but give it time :-)

Jno I think Waldo was being generalising not personal. Accurate but not specific.

[Old_Geezer]

Things become self evident or not depending on how much you already know. A theory can be a description of that which is obvious.

I've never used the expression creotard. Not heard of it until now.

One doesn't have 4 hands because there is no survival value for the species in having more than two. If you were born with 4 hands it is less likely, not more likely, that you would contribute your genes to the next generation.

[jno]

yes, fair enough, Dave.

[jake-the-peg]

The questions asked by creationists are not really bright enough - there are much more difficult questions evolutionists have to answer.

Questions like how life can evolve from it's first origins when there is little variation due to asexual reproduction, a very small geographical location and probably quite a violent environment.

Questions like how the first life forms evolved and reproduced - specifically there is information encoding in RNA and translation of that encoding into specific proteins and the utilisations of those proteins in cell structures - how these can come about one without the other is far from clear

At least to me

But on the positive side I'm not sure that there would be quite so much interest in teasing out these questions if it were not for creationists constantly challenging evolutionary biologists

I just wish they'd up their game and stop asking questions about eyes, feathers and flagella

[WaldoMcFroog]

But actually, JTP, those questions don't actually affect the reality of evolution one bit.

They are, without question, very important and interesting lines of enquiry but they don't (and can't) disprove evolution.

Sorry for using 'Creotard', jno. I actually meant 'creo-nazi jesus-spaz'.

[chakka35]

smart1, why should you have four hands? Like zzxxee, you are asking an elementary question instead of learning just a little bit of the fundamentals of evolution first.

Evolution has no aim or plan, including giving you four hands. It comes about by random mutation of the genetic code that is passed on from one generation to the next. Most such mutations will be unviable and, by natural selection, will disappear, some will be neutral and be carried as passengers. A very few will be advantageous and move the evolution process on one notch. But there is no plan.

One day a human being might be born, by chance, with four hands - astronomically improbable but let's just look at the principle. If that fellow has such an advantage over the rest of us that he lives longer and breeds more (again unlikely in our society) then he'll have more offspring who will have more offspring and so on until four-handed people will take over the species.

But that random change has to happen first. Evolution has no plan.

Your 'If evolution was fact....' is out of date. Evolution is, and has been for a long time, an established scientific principle, challenged only by the religious and the uninformed.

[jno]

oh, I thought it was a rather good word, Waldo. But since you used it in relation to a question zzxxee asked, it seemed to be aimed at him/her unfairly; the question showed no evidence of belief/disbelief in evolution. It was just a question meriting a straight answer. I dare say most of my questions (usually about my misbehaving computer) are bleedin' obvious and self-evident to those who already know the answers, but I'm always grateful when they help me out politely.

[jno]

smart1, in effect we may have once had four hands. Chimpanzees have opposable big toes (like thumbs) and can grasp things with their feet. But we have used the lower pair to walk on and stopped using them the same way as hands; we lose some flexibilty that way, but we have gained the ability to walk upright, with all that implies about being able to see further and suffer back pain. So you could say we've evolved away from four hands, to two hands and two feet.

[WaldoMcFroog]

I thought it was aimed exclusively at creationist websites myself, jno; now i've gone and been needlessly - though debatably amusingly so - offensive.

[KARL]

Am I the only one to have noticed a statement to the effect that the world is 6000 years old ? Wow, I never appreciated that evolution workes as fast as that implies...........

[jno]

Karl, the world was created on Sunday October 23, 4004BC, at 9am. (In what tiime zone I'm not sure.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology

[naomi24]

If you look at the Abrahamic religions, there's no doubt that God has evolved. Men have made sure of that. The God of the Jews is quite different from the Christian God, and the God of Islam is different again. This surely proves the so-called theory of evolution to be undeniable fact, doesn't it? ;o)

[flobadob]

I feel like religion evolves to suit the times.