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watching the rescue of the chillean miners, some have thanked god and their faith for assisting them in coping underground for such a long time and being rescued. would you thank god ?
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So just how do you go about sorting these voices in your head, or wherever they emanate from, Zabadak? How do you know whether it's God or the devil speaking to you from the beyond? And how can you be certain their both not, as I highly suspect, one and the same? Because from a very early age I could not determine for the life of me which one wrote the Bible until it finally dawned on me ~ that it was neither of the above.
Mibn: Briefly, it's not an exact science, but - especially in the work I do - shared experience with my co-workers (in religious terms a very mixed bunch), the ways in which what we do is received, appreciation of what's good and what isn't. I personally use a yardstick in the character and person of Jesus as I read him, because at my stage in life I'm quite happy to see him as an exemplar of the character and personality of God. It doesn't trouble me when others use a different yardstick. The experience of worship, currently in Anglican format. Not an exhaustive list.
It's an interesting discussion point, that people will pray to their God in times of crisis, but not so many may go back and thank Him after it all turns out well. Something like this, the churches will be awash with people thanking Him for "overseeing" the skills given to the rescuers and making it possible - but for the small things, one might say "please God that this happens" but don't always remember to go back afterwards and express appreciation.
Hi 237 would have replied earlier but I'm in a slightly different time zone so had gone to bed when you posted. In answer to your question, I have been in several life threatening situations, but I had to use so much of my resources (both mental and physical) making sure that I survived that the even the idea of praying never entered my head. Yet here I am.
Naomi always says and almost taunts others that they listen to other people and those people do not know more than themselves.
I wonder if she repairs her own boiler as heating engineer probably does not know more than she does, then she does not go to a doctor as again she knows what he does so what is the point. She was born with all the knowledge she posses today as she never went to school, college etc as what was the point as none of the teachers there knew more than what she did. Just a thought
I wonder if she repairs her own boiler as heating engineer probably does not know more than she does, then she does not go to a doctor as again she knows what he does so what is the point. She was born with all the knowledge she posses today as she never went to school, college etc as what was the point as none of the teachers there knew more than what she did. Just a thought
One of those miners was a Jehovah's witness...or at least his mother is...this raises the question...would a loving God permit all those miners to be saved, regardless of their individual beliefs, JUST to save ONE. Just because he is being totally obedient to what Jesus taught. Mark 9;7...
Surely the rescue , marvellous as it is, HAS to have had help from somewhere.
Surely the rescue , marvellous as it is, HAS to have had help from somewhere.
Keyplus, I've never taken the trouble to read a book that would teach me how to fix my central heating boiler, change a tap washer, remove an offending tonsil or transplant a defective liver, but if I ever require any of those services rest assured I will indeed seek help from the experts. However, with regard to Islam, as far as the rules go there is no greater authority than the scrap of a tome known as the Koran and since you and your so-called 'experts' have all read precisely the same text I am at a loss to understand why you think they know something you don't. You're all grown men aren't you? I mean, come on, my copy amounts to around 430 pages written in simple language so we're not talking about digesting the entire contents of the Encyclopaedia Britannica here, but nevertheless you willingly rely upon other people not only to tell you what this little book says, but to dictate how you must live your life based upon its contents.
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Furthermore, there is a glaringly obvious contradiction in your argument. If it is so important to you to seek the advice of 'experts', then why don't you do it by applying that same philosophy to the scientific errors contained within the Koran rather than continue to support your 'experts' in insisting that your book is, among other things, scientifically faultless? Perhaps then rather than voluntarily abandoning your intellect to the appalling influence of the silly superstitious men who like you are determined to cling, without a modicum of reason or common sense, to the demonstrably false myths and unnecessary practices of a long gone age, you may begin to understand that Islam, just like every other religion, is fit only for the dustbin because it's way past its 'sell-by' date.
(ps ... please don't wheel out that mouldy 30 year old video of Keith Moore again. The regulars here could very well lose the will to live).
Furthermore, there is a glaringly obvious contradiction in your argument. If it is so important to you to seek the advice of 'experts', then why don't you do it by applying that same philosophy to the scientific errors contained within the Koran rather than continue to support your 'experts' in insisting that your book is, among other things, scientifically faultless? Perhaps then rather than voluntarily abandoning your intellect to the appalling influence of the silly superstitious men who like you are determined to cling, without a modicum of reason or common sense, to the demonstrably false myths and unnecessary practices of a long gone age, you may begin to understand that Islam, just like every other religion, is fit only for the dustbin because it's way past its 'sell-by' date.
(ps ... please don't wheel out that mouldy 30 year old video of Keith Moore again. The regulars here could very well lose the will to live).
