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A nun's illness was mysteriously cured after she and her fellow nuns prayed to Pope John Paul II, and because of that he is now being fast-tracked towards sainthood. Convenient, ridiculous, naive, or justified? Your thoughts?
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Well the origin of the term Devil's advocate is related to this. There is meant to be someone called the promoter of the faith commonly known as the Devil's advocate to argue against the cannonisation of a candidate.
http://en.wikipedia.o...ki/Devil%27s_advocate
It would be interesting to know the profile of the person fulfilling this role, their relationship to JPII and their history in sucessfully opposing canonisations.
http://en.wikipedia.o...ki/Devil%27s_advocate
It would be interesting to know the profile of the person fulfilling this role, their relationship to JPII and their history in sucessfully opposing canonisations.
I thought that the labelling a cure as a miracle was a long drawn out complicated procedure involving investigation of the incident between the Church and the Medical profession.
Fast track?
I have a Monarch Vantage Silver Card which enable me to "fast track" towards security at Airports...........is this the same thing?
Fast track?
I have a Monarch Vantage Silver Card which enable me to "fast track" towards security at Airports...........is this the same thing?
When it comes to a good bit of publicity, the Catholic Church has a long and famous pedigree. From visionary maids in Orleans, Star Chambers, renouncing the Solar System as heresy, and excommunicating English monarchs to condemning the use of disease prevention during sex, promoting an ex-Nazi to high office, and pouring guilt and censure on people with same sex feelings, there's not much more to do.
Taking the fairy story onwards in creating miracles and saints is more spin showing how really nice the whole outfit appears. Even the benevolent twisting of its own rules is part of the act. It makes all who take it in become complicit in the act and therefore locked into the system that little bit more.
This is nothing more than priests and shamen have been doing on a local basis for five thousand years and more. Power and social control.
Taking the fairy story onwards in creating miracles and saints is more spin showing how really nice the whole outfit appears. Even the benevolent twisting of its own rules is part of the act. It makes all who take it in become complicit in the act and therefore locked into the system that little bit more.
This is nothing more than priests and shamen have been doing on a local basis for five thousand years and more. Power and social control.
The post of Devil's Advocate was abolished by JPII in 1983, jake. It is obviously an inconvenience when you are trying to fast-track things to have some irritating fellow holding things up with trivialities about the candidate's lifelong abuse of children and so on.
Mind you, there are still difficulties. When the vast army of people who love and admire me applied to have me canonised some time ago , they found all sorts of obstacles in their way. For a start, you have to be religious, would you believe? Then you have to be dead. And then your friends have to bribe a couple of old biddies to claim that it was praying to you that cured their sore throats, not the antibiotics their doctors had given them.
In the end I told them not to bother; I'd be happy to remain plain Mr. At least i qualify on the plainness test.
Mind you, there are still difficulties. When the vast army of people who love and admire me applied to have me canonised some time ago , they found all sorts of obstacles in their way. For a start, you have to be religious, would you believe? Then you have to be dead. And then your friends have to bribe a couple of old biddies to claim that it was praying to you that cured their sore throats, not the antibiotics their doctors had given them.
In the end I told them not to bother; I'd be happy to remain plain Mr. At least i qualify on the plainness test.
Personally it doesn't bother me or even register. However I do know that this will make a lot of people very happy as he was a very loved pope. Naomi, are you suggesting that the nuns are lying so as to attribute a miracle to the previous pope. I wonder would they lie for what they would see as the greater good. In fact is there any rules against nuns and priests lying?
flobadob, lying doesn't necessarily come into it, merely pious wishful thinking.
The first posthumous 'miracle' attributed to Mother Teresa was the recovery of one Monica Besra, who allegedly recovered miraculously from a large uterine tumor because nuns deposited an aluminium medal of Teresa on the woman's abdomen. The three doctor's treating Monica testified that she had been responding well to treatment and that her recovery was normal and expected.
The first posthumous 'miracle' attributed to Mother Teresa was the recovery of one Monica Besra, who allegedly recovered miraculously from a large uterine tumor because nuns deposited an aluminium medal of Teresa on the woman's abdomen. The three doctor's treating Monica testified that she had been responding well to treatment and that her recovery was normal and expected.
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