Gods Differences

[Lonnie]

You have the God of the Old Testament/Torah, who ordered killings, and nations to be conqured, but these were only against specific people and nations.

Then you have the God of the New Testament, who is all Loving, all forgiving, and abhors killing,

Then you have the God of the Qur'an, who has ordered the killing and taking of nations of all unbelievers.

These three, are all supposed to be the same God.

Is this possible?.

[chakka35]

I suppose you're right, sandyRoe, though I always thought that it was part of the myth that your God raised him. If Jesus was in charge why did he allow himself to be crucified anyway? I was about to point out that since there's no evidence that Jesus died on the cross there was no need for a resurrection....but that's straying from this thread and needs one of its own. So I'll shut up.

[beso]

I would have thought a few good tricks like making the nails bend instead of going through Him would have been fun. Or making Pilate appear in His place after the nails were driven.

However Jesus allowed Himself to be crucified because that is what His father told him was going to happen.

"God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son ..."

Some how I don't think my children would be so impressed if I decided that. I bet Abraham's son wasn't particularly keen either.

Abraham's God is a psychopathic monster no matter what version you choose.

[boxtops]

hear hear - and several of have all three, as well as others, in our reading material.

[beso]

Lonnie: "The Communists didn't, we know that, because they said so, and they killed as much as the believers did. "

The familiar forms of Communism share the same fundamental principles of the Abrahamic religions. They have the same concept of demanding absolute compliance to unquestionable principles dictated by a central authority.

Communism is civil organisational principle, as is the religion in societies organised on theistic religious lines. These are not the fundamental principles.

What they do share they also share with the National Socialists and that is the desire for fascist implementation.

Hitler sought to bring peace by killing anyone having values that did not conform to those of the majority and central authority. Fascists including Genghis Khan, Maoists, Marxists and Abrahamic churches have always used violence to enforce their dictates.

Fascism is one of the earliest attempts to bring order to civilisation. Those who support the principles of the Abrahamic churches are stuck in a primitive philosophy and fail to comprehend the advances in morality made by secular societies since Joshua and his followers slaughtered hundreds of thousands in their brutal genocides.

Indeed the church has been a central impediment to those advances and many people have paid the ultimate price for standing up to its fascist arrogance.

[chakka35]

Well said, beso.