Incidents Mot Seen By The Referee

[Gromit]

If a foul is not seen by the referee and goes unpunished at the time, the FA can retrospectively, ban or admonish the player based on television evidence.

If the referee sees the incident, but gets it completely wrong and waves play on, then the FA will not intercede.

That is inconsistant. The aim should be for justice and fair play. The rule seems to be more concerned with protecting the officials reputations than penalising wrong doers.

Anyone agree that if the evidence shows an (elbow in Aguero's case) that the player should be punished regardless of if the referee let it go at the time?

[Togo]

It gets worse than that the Professional Game Match Officials Ltd.(PGMOL) actually advised referees to deny having seen incidents, even though they had. This comes from retired ref Mark Halsey in todays Times.

[agchristie]

The trouble is Gromit the FA will be overloaded with referees errors to consider.How far do you go because I lose count of the amount of penalties not awarded that should be.

The interests of justice are not just served by injuries from tackles/elbows etc.

[Arksided]

Yes definitely, In Aguero's case the world and his wife could see what happened and that the Ref was looking directly at the incident. So regardless of poor decisions by the Ref yes players should be punished post match.

[douglas9401]

If the powers that be were remotely interested in fair play and justice, instant replay technology would have been introduced years ago.
Their only concern is the steady stream of lunatic amounts of cash from broadcasters to keep them in the manner to which they're now accustomed.
Like most other live sport, attendances are dwindling but the myth of popularity must be maintained at all costs to protect the bottom line.

[Gromit]

Agc,
I am thinking more violent conduct rather than whether a foul was in or outside the box. They cannot overturn every wrong call (it would be pointless post match) but dangerous/violent play should not go unpunished because the referee ignored it at the time.

[agchristie]

Those goal line officials made me laugh at the euros.What on earth do they do?

They couldn't see past their noses some of them!

[Togo]

The problem is Arks it is a get out for refs who bottle it because of crowd pressure. They can make a report saying that they did not see an incident. Yes players should be punished retrospectively, but what about a penalty not given? The club cannot get a game replayed or the points back for a result that was manifestly adulterated. Replays and technology have got to be introduced, Rugby, Tennis, Cricket, even Horse Racing has a review facility and so should Football.

[Gromit]

// Like most other live sport, attendances are dwindling but the myth of popularity must be maintained at all costs to protect the bottom line. //

Er, attendance at 2015/16 Premiership matches was up on the previous year.

[agchristie]

Yes Gromit,it is an anomaly I've been aware of for a while and all you hear is 'refs are only human'!

[Arksided]

Yes Togo but wrong penalty decisions etc... is opening up a whole different can of worms to what Gromit was asking.

[douglas9401]

Where is 'the premiership' mentioned Gromit? Are you hallucinating?

[Togo]

Sauce for the goose Arks. The officials should not be able to pick and choose which parts of a recorded match they want to accept whilst ignoring the rest. Just about every game in the country now has camera crews present nad the dosh sploshing about in the top tiers should be put to good use and invested in real time reviews just like they do in Rugby Union. Everybody said it would slow down t game and undermine the match officials. The opposite has turned out to be the reality. Players know they cannot niggle and undermine the ref because he has an immediate review back up and they know that they cannot leave the field to argue the toss with the panel.

[Gromit]

Togo,
// The officials should not be able to pick and choose which parts of a recorded match they want to accept whilst ignoring the rest. //

They should if it is violent conduct that was missed. Whilst a wrong call for a penalty could effect the outcome of a match, the result cannot be changed retrospectively so they should not look at that.

[Arksided]

Togo, I still have mixed feelings about replays being part of football, with Rugby they stop often enough to hug each other, in Cricket likewise scratching their @rses. In football what if play continues for a further fifteen minutes before the ball goes out of play etc. Then incident show that a player should have and is then sent off. Opposition might have scored three goals in that time with them using their sub-goalie.

[Gromit]

Douglas,
Apologies, I just assumed you were talking about Premiership football attendances, not ALL live football.

I eagerly await a link to your evidence about 'dwindling' crowds.

[Arksided]

Sorry to pick you up on this Gromit, Premier League its no longer Premiership.

[Old_Geezer]

I can see the point made, but it also seems reasonable for the tech to cover that which hadn't been seen, not that which the official was aware of and made an official decision on at the time. The ref is the authority during the game and should not be overruled.

[Gromit]

Arkaided
// It is colloquially known as the Premiership and outside the UK it is commonly referred to as the English Premier League (EPL). //

[Arksided]

Gromit:

http://worldsoccertalk.com/2007/05/21/premier-league-drops-premiership-name-in-uk/