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Sebastian Vettel: Right Or Wrong?
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For anyone who didn't see it, Vettel ignored team orders whilst Webber was in the lead and passed him with 10 laps to go.
Whilst I understand there are team orders and responsibilities to sponsors, team mates etc was it really that wrong? Isn't this what we want to see, the best drivers in the world battling it out wheel to wheel?
Vettel is a triple world champion, how do you ask a proven winner not to compete? Yes, there is history between the two and yes they drive for the same team, but that was some ballsy move by Vettel to take the lead, let alone ignore the team order.
I've never seen an F1 winner look so dejected at the end of the race when really, he ought to be applauded for giving F1 fans the real thrill of racing.
Thoughts?
Whilst I understand there are team orders and responsibilities to sponsors, team mates etc was it really that wrong? Isn't this what we want to see, the best drivers in the world battling it out wheel to wheel?
Vettel is a triple world champion, how do you ask a proven winner not to compete? Yes, there is history between the two and yes they drive for the same team, but that was some ballsy move by Vettel to take the lead, let alone ignore the team order.
I've never seen an F1 winner look so dejected at the end of the race when really, he ought to be applauded for giving F1 fans the real thrill of racing.
Thoughts?
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Heat of the moment, perhaps deliberate. Vettel has said mea culpa, held his hands up, apologised and said he would do so to Webber.
End of matter. Or at least for Red Bull.
You can't legislate against this as the number two will always go out as two unless there is a failure. "Oi Guv, Mr Rules Man, I wasn't getting the very best out of my turbo......." or whatever excuse.
End of matter. Or at least for Red Bull.
You can't legislate against this as the number two will always go out as two unless there is a failure. "Oi Guv, Mr Rules Man, I wasn't getting the very best out of my turbo......." or whatever excuse.
Replace Webber with senna and they would have both been in the gravel, Vettel passed but he needed Webber to avoid a collision, one of them save them both, I imagine Horner would be well aware of that. It's difficult to ask a racing driver not to race but discipline in the team is necessary for the common good. Now Webber will have justification next time he ignores team orders.
This sums it up:
Gerhard Berger, who drove for McLaren between 1990 and 1992, said Vettel was showing the ruthless streak that characterises the sport's greatest drivers.
"To win a World Championship three or four times you have to be very selfish," he told BBC Radio 5 live.
"These boys have such a big killer instinct - they cannot follow their brain and they just do what their instinct tells them.
"This is part of his success and nobody, no team mate, no team chief, will change it."
Exactly. The world's best drivers duking it out, wheel to wheel with one inches from a pit wall at 190 mph, now THAT's racing!
Gerhard Berger, who drove for McLaren between 1990 and 1992, said Vettel was showing the ruthless streak that characterises the sport's greatest drivers.
"To win a World Championship three or four times you have to be very selfish," he told BBC Radio 5 live.
"These boys have such a big killer instinct - they cannot follow their brain and they just do what their instinct tells them.
"This is part of his success and nobody, no team mate, no team chief, will change it."
Exactly. The world's best drivers duking it out, wheel to wheel with one inches from a pit wall at 190 mph, now THAT's racing!
Its hard to be ruthless in today's formula one, the race is controlled by the teams and the strategists, the drivers do as they are told. Ironically the 'brave' move that Vettel pulled yesterday was followed by hours of apologising and whining.
As a racing fan I would prefer to see a race that isnt about team orders or an agreement, however those days are gone, its a multi billion pound industry that is heavily controlled by everyone except the drivers.
As a racing fan I would prefer to see a race that isnt about team orders or an agreement, however those days are gone, its a multi billion pound industry that is heavily controlled by everyone except the drivers.
''As a racing fan I would prefer to see a race that isnt about team orders''
So would I, but Team Orders were given to Vettel and he chose to ignore them. The argument: who is bigger, the team or the driver, will rattle on for ages (and by the way, there's no 'Team in Vettel') ;-p
I think this incident does more harm to Christian Horner's authority within Red Bull team than either driver.
So would I, but Team Orders were given to Vettel and he chose to ignore them. The argument: who is bigger, the team or the driver, will rattle on for ages (and by the way, there's no 'Team in Vettel') ;-p
I think this incident does more harm to Christian Horner's authority within Red Bull team than either driver.
Seb ignored team orders so he gets a deserved slap on the wrist in front of the cameras.The call from above was to turn things down and hold station to reduce tyre wear. Seb was, however in the best position to decide whether his tyres were ok and so made the right choice.Mercedes also gave out the same message to Nico and Lewis regarding fuel conservation.They could'nt argue with this call because the engineers know from the telemetry the exact fuel loadings. They held station for 5 laps ...yawn. Vettel stuck his neck out and Webber fought to keep position...so he also forgot about multi 21 team orders.I recon Vettel got a pat on the back behind the cameras from Helmut Merkle and Christin Horner.The publicity for the team can be seen in every newspaper and every news channel.Mercedes did'nt get much,so draw your own conclusions.
Team orders is always going to be a part of the sport - whether it's illegal or not ( currently it's not )
Look at it as a race between teams first and foremost ( interspersed with that you will on occasion get a race between team mates , if there are no number 1 and number two drivers ) .
Of course the solution would be to have just one driver in each team - but i think that's a non starter as obviously 1/2 the grid would dissapear .
Look at it as a race between teams first and foremost ( interspersed with that you will on occasion get a race between team mates , if there are no number 1 and number two drivers ) .
Of course the solution would be to have just one driver in each team - but i think that's a non starter as obviously 1/2 the grid would dissapear .
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