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Young Man Crushed To Death By Train.
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What a horrible death for this poor young chap.
Surely it is time that some form of safety fence should be installed making it impossible for travellers to get close to the edge of the platform?
The main entrance gate could then be opened when the train stops at the platform and then the passengers could then move down the platform to enter the carriages.
What a horrible death for this poor young chap.
Surely it is time that some form of safety fence should be installed making it impossible for travellers to get close to the edge of the platform?
The main entrance gate could then be opened when the train stops at the platform and then the passengers could then move down the platform to enter the carriages.
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all well and good at fully-staffed stations like guildford.
but would passengers be prepared to pay the price (in hugely-inflated fares)for such precautions to be installed somewhere like this?
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but would passengers be prepared to pay the price (in hugely-inflated fares)for such precautions to be installed somewhere like this?
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Railway platforms have been around for nearly 200 years and I am surprised no one has noticed this fatal flaw.
If someone is going to murder someone by throwing them in front of a train then surely they will just push them over the fence.
And what about people being pushed in front of cars. Should we fence off all the roads as well?
If someone is going to murder someone by throwing them in front of a train then surely they will just push them over the fence.
And what about people being pushed in front of cars. Should we fence off all the roads as well?
You've obviously never worked on train dispatch, AOG.
At peak times you need to get perhaps 100 people off a train (with all their luggage) and then 300 people (possibly including two wheelchair users, and everyone's luggage) onto it, all in under two minutes.
Your idea is totally impractical unless the railways went to the vast expense of introducing the same system as operates on London's jubilee line.. (The Jubilee Line system, at some stations, has trains arriving next to sets of doors from the platform, with those doors only opening when the train doors do).
The Guildford incident is, of course, unfortunate but dozens of people get pushed into the paths of moving cars and lorries (during brawls outside pubs, etc) every year. Are you suggesting that every pavement should have gates which only open when a vehicle pulls up alongside?
At peak times you need to get perhaps 100 people off a train (with all their luggage) and then 300 people (possibly including two wheelchair users, and everyone's luggage) onto it, all in under two minutes.
Your idea is totally impractical unless the railways went to the vast expense of introducing the same system as operates on London's jubilee line.. (The Jubilee Line system, at some stations, has trains arriving next to sets of doors from the platform, with those doors only opening when the train doors do).
The Guildford incident is, of course, unfortunate but dozens of people get pushed into the paths of moving cars and lorries (during brawls outside pubs, etc) every year. Are you suggesting that every pavement should have gates which only open when a vehicle pulls up alongside?
Chris, the Jubilee Line system is only effective because all the stock used on the line is identical. Given the various stock types used on the national system, with different length vehicles, different door pitches, different width doors, different door opening methods, etc, developing edge barriers compatible with all would be next to impossible.
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Exactly Jake, thanks for the link. obviously they work in some countries and I bet they also do not have their roads screened off also.
Judging by the hight of them I would also think it would be quite a job for someone to push another over them, as Gromit points out.
But perhaps that is why we in Britain, the inventors of rail travel, are slow in providing such things, given such negative thinking, it's a wonder that we still do not have open top carriages.
Exactly Jake, thanks for the link. obviously they work in some countries and I bet they also do not have their roads screened off also.
Judging by the hight of them I would also think it would be quite a job for someone to push another over them, as Gromit points out.
But perhaps that is why we in Britain, the inventors of rail travel, are slow in providing such things, given such negative thinking, it's a wonder that we still do not have open top carriages.
Mushroom25:
I was taking all of that into account when I referred to 'vast expense'. As you say, there would have to be changes to rolling stock, as well as to platforms, if the system was to be introduced. I hope that I made it clear that I regard it as totally infeasible. (I certainly wasn't putting it forward as a practical solution!).
I was taking all of that into account when I referred to 'vast expense'. As you say, there would have to be changes to rolling stock, as well as to platforms, if the system was to be introduced. I hope that I made it clear that I regard it as totally infeasible. (I certainly wasn't putting it forward as a practical solution!).
aog idea is impractical and would take far too long - but jtp's link isnt - and i assume it is something like that that aog meant really - basically a barrier - any barrier - to the tracks, that automatically opens when the train arrives.
i dont see any reason why they should make things take longer, but if they did they could just arrange the timetables to accommodate the extra moment it would take to get on and off the trains.
even on a journey of 20 stops its only and extra 20 mins - people could just get an earlier train.
i dont see any reason why they should make things take longer, but if they did they could just arrange the timetables to accommodate the extra moment it would take to get on and off the trains.
even on a journey of 20 stops its only and extra 20 mins - people could just get an earlier train.
joko, any barrier would need to be provided with a means of passing through, which would necessarily have to line up with the doors of the train. on the uk network there are just too many different train types to make any system like that practical, without making the barrier unbelievably complicated. plus it could never be automatic, a platform operative would need to manually select the correct train type for the barrier to match.
barriers could work effectively in this country only if access to the platform itself were to be restricted until the train has drawn alongside. that i believe would be too time-consuming, a busy station requiring maybe 5mn or more to process boarding and alighting passengers - don't forget the platform would have to be cleared before the train could depart.
barriers could work effectively in this country only if access to the platform itself were to be restricted until the train has drawn alongside. that i believe would be too time-consuming, a busy station requiring maybe 5mn or more to process boarding and alighting passengers - don't forget the platform would have to be cleared before the train could depart.
Such incidents are very rare so spending billions on making them 'impossible' would be a foolish over reaction
Suicides from station platforms are slightly more common but making them 'impossible' would no doubt simply displace the problem to bridges or crossings
The safety barriers on some of the Tube platforms are practicable in new builds and useful where platforms become congested
Suicides from station platforms are slightly more common but making them 'impossible' would no doubt simply displace the problem to bridges or crossings
The safety barriers on some of the Tube platforms are practicable in new builds and useful where platforms become congested
joko, yes i did see the link. those barriers only work because all the trains that use those stations are identical, and the train doors always line up with the barrier doors. this is not the case on the UK national railway network.
setting the barriers back will compromise a lot of platforms that are already worryingly narrow - and provide the opportunity for passengers to run alongside the train (looking for seats?) inside the barriers.
setting the barriers back will compromise a lot of platforms that are already worryingly narrow - and provide the opportunity for passengers to run alongside the train (looking for seats?) inside the barriers.
Regardless of how practical or desireable such measures may be, they would never ever happen on the UK rail network.
The rail network is run to finance mangement bonuses and shareholder dividends. This gives those in charge serious tunnel (sorry!) vision - focused on not only saving money on existing infrtastructure, but minimising expendature on any new schemes.
The notion of something that only saves lives, not money, is therefore to be ignored immediately.
The rail network is run to finance mangement bonuses and shareholder dividends. This gives those in charge serious tunnel (sorry!) vision - focused on not only saving money on existing infrtastructure, but minimising expendature on any new schemes.
The notion of something that only saves lives, not money, is therefore to be ignored immediately.
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