Britain Has Won The Biggest Brexit Prize Of All

Khandro | 09:36 Sat 26th Dec 2020 | News

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'Over the last two decades it has become clear that the EU is not so much an over-mighty regulator as a really bad one. Mainly because it is bureaucratic and un-democractic, and often under the sway of the lobbyists who spend billions in Brussels every year, it has become more and more intent on clamping down on every form of innovation. That could be seen most clearly in the internet and app economy. It became increasingly hard to believe that Europe’s dire performance against the American and now Chinese giants had nothing to do with the way the industry was crippled by its regulators. But it crept into every area of the economy, from finance, to legal and professional services, to intellectual property. If it was new, innovative and entrepreneurial, the EU either banned it, broke it up, or burdened it with so many costs it was impossible for new companies to get going or to scale up when they did.

The EU was demanding a degree of regulatory alignment from the UK that would have meant we had to stick with every wealth-destroying directive coming out of Brussels. Under-performance in the industries that matter most would have been built into the system. That has rightly been resisted. We will now be able to embrace technologies from artificial intelligence, to driverless cars, flying taxis, lab-grown meat and vertical farms (oh, and vaccines, which the EU seems very slow to approve, even amid a pandemic).' ......

The Spectator

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ToraToraTora

......and how hard we had to fight their fifth column to implement the democratic choice of the majority.

dannyk13

A potted analysis of the deal here:-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9088047/500-pages-long-historic-dossier-thats-set-Britain-free-EU.html

drmorgans

So realisation dawned that as a nett importer from the EU, they needed the UK more than the UK needed them? The UK needs to sort out that imbalance with new trade partnerships.

Sunk

Yesterday we were told the Brexit document was 1,246 pages. The Daily Mail have read something that is 500 pages long. It is unclear if they have analysed the final thing or a draft?

Now we are free of the EU, haven’t we already adopted 99% of its old regs until we get round to writing our own?

dannyk13

Sunk, the adapting of some of the EU's laws into our laws has been going on for quite a while in preparation for Brexit.

dannyk13

The 500 pages refers to the trade deal the whole document is 1.246 pages.

Sunk

43% of our exports are bought by the EU. In theory those just got more complicated (and therefore more expensive).
I am sure we will still do £billions worth of trade with them, but we will probably do less. As long as we can replace those customers with others in the rest of the world, then we will be fine. If not, we have a big problem.

Sunk

OK, I have solved the anomaly.

// The 1,246-page document includes about 800 pages of annexes and footnotes, the BBC said bbc.in/3nRtXls, adding that the pages of legal text will determine every aspect of trade between the UK and the EU. //

Sunk

The UK has replaced EU laws with British one. Except the laws are exactly the same. Eventually we will change them, but that will take years. So when we leave the EU we will still follow their rules, because we haven’t written new ones of our own.

// In a statement to MPs, David Davis said the repeal bill would allow businesses to continue operating on the day after the UK leaves the EU "knowing the rules have not changed overnight". //

Togo

The wet dream is over son, time to throw away the mattress and get a new one. Just think ... If only you had supported Treason May, instead of calling in the lawyers, non of this could have happened. Ohh how they will laugh in the decades of freedom to come. The EUSSR is indeed sunk.

drmorgans

Great isn't it. The UK can and will set its own laws, rather than being required to comply by the EU.

New Judge

//That has rightly been resisted. We will now be able to embrace technologies from artificial intelligence, to driverless cars, flying taxis, lab-grown meat and vertical farms (oh, and vaccines, which the EU seems very slow to approve, even amid a pandemic).' ......//

Do not count your chickens. Nobody (and I mean nobody, apart from those who wrote it) knows what's contained in the agreement. I saw M. Barnier on the telly yesterday with the tome. It was (and I'm not exaggerating) five inches thick. I've seen estimates of its size vary from 500 to 2,000 pages. Quite frankly it's disgraceful that such an important document should be put before Parliament with so little time for proper scrutiny.

Do not be surprised if, over the coming few months when people have had the time to examine it which they should have been granted before it was passed, "small print" emerges that prevents the UK from doing exactly the kind of things that you believe it is now free to do. The EU's main concern in these "negotiations" was not the two pennyworth of fish that was being argued over - that was M. Macron's bargaining ploy to win over a few voters in 2022. Their main concern was that the UK would break free from the stifling regulatory regime you describe (which treats unregulated business almost as criminal activity) and so become more competitive than the EU. They will not have given up that quest so easily and the small print which allows the EU to refer disputes over the "level playing field" to an independent arbitration body (whose independence has not been fully explained) will probably be shown to have deserved a larger font.

THECORBYLOON

"The UK can and will set its own laws, rather than being required to comply by the EU." Great Britain can but not Ulster.

From the Daily Mail

"NORTHERN IRELAND

The province will have to follow single market rules to ensure its border with Ireland remains open

Customs procedures for goods crossing the Irish Sea, because Northern Ireland will have access to the EU customs union while remaining in the UK customs union

There will be physical checks on some plant and animal products, but not at the border

Ulster will remain subject to many EU rules overseen by the European Court of Justice"

New Judge

And Corby's latest post demonstrates part of what I'm getting at. The United Kingdom has, to all intents and purposes, been split up as a result of EU intransigence. Businesses in Great Britain now need permission to send goods to Northern Ireland. The UK operates a "Common Travel Area" which includes the Republic of Ireland and the UK. But the UK does not operate a similar arrangement which includes Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If the EU wanted to erect a hard border between the UK and Ireland that was its (and Ireland's) affair. Instead of dismissing the idea out of hand we now have a hard border in the Irish Sea.

ToraToraTora

sunk: "So when we leave the EU we will still follow their rules, because we haven’t written new ones of our own. " - err no, they are our laws now, no one said 100% of EUSSR laws need changing, they just needed incorporating. Most of the laws we have adopted would be simple common sense stuff that needed to be absorbed we've been doing that. The important thing is and this is what people like you cannot comprehend, that they are our laws passed by our elected parliament, not imposed from outside by some foreign junta.

THECORBYLOON

"The important thing is and this is what people like you cannot comprehend, that they are our laws passed by our elected parliament, not imposed from outside by some foreign junta."

What about the arrangements in Ulster if there are changes to EU legislation affecting trade with Great Britain?

ToraToraTora

gawd elp us, nitty nora's awake now!

Khandro

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'The EU was demanding a degree of regulatory alignment from the UK that would have meant we had to stick with every wealth-destroying directive coming out of Brussels.'

This was precisely why James Dyson trying to develop electric cars had to stop & move his enterprise out of the EU because he was hamstrung by their regulations.

UE interference has been highlighted this week by their wish that no member country should get the covid vaccine before any other; they must all start vaccinating at the same moment --- what an absurdity !

'Die Welt' shown on its front page a few days ago a picture of a woman in Cardiff being inoculated & bemoaning the fact that even though the vaccine was due partly German research, they were not (& are still not) ready to begin with its use. They had been carrying out 'rehearsals' when they should have been doing the real thing.