When Did Umpires At Wimbledon Stop Referring To Female Players As Miss As In 'Advantage Miss Wade'

[dave50]

Only just noticed the other day.

[Zacs-Master]

2019. It was a decision by the England Lawn Tennis Club.

[bhg481]

I did hear one refer to "Miss Barty" the other day and commented to my wife that it was unusual nowadays.

[Khandro]

Sadly removed, like so many other things from an age of good manners & formality.

[tiggerblue10]

I don't think it's sad that they removed it. They didn't refer to the men as Mr so why refer to the women as Miss. Not that I can recall anyway.

[dave50]

It was a mark of respect to the ladies like most of us used to do when good manners was the norm.

[douglas9401]

It was dropped when the ladies lost respect for themselves and resorted to doing animal impressions when serving. :-)

[jim360]

I'm sure it was never meant disrespectfully, but on the other hand why is referring to women by only their surname seen as disrespectful?

[bednobs]

also, some of them are married

[jim360]

Also, back in the long ago days there was a time when the married women at Wimbledon (and probably other slams) were presented on the scoreboard under their husbands' names, as in for example Billie Jean King was listed in 1980 as Mrs L.W. King. I know that was the tradition, so it isn't Wimbledon's fault, but it's a tradition well worth moving on from.

[THECORBYLOON]

I can mind on Ilie Nastase having a "conversation" with one of the Wimbledon umpires and insisting on being called "Mr Nastase" rather than just by surname, as was the practice.

The umpire did give in eventually.

[bhg481]

I'm being very tempted to comment that these married ladies should be made to retire so that they can spend all their time tending to their husband's every need but, I'm sure, some would think I was serious.

[jim360]

Also, it's not been entirely dispensed with. On challenges, the announcement is: "Mr. Smith is challenging the call on ... " or "Ms. Jones has x challenges remaining". But then the point is that it's equal treatment, whereas before it was "Game Federer" vs. "Game, Miss Hingis".

[ichkeria]

It’s only during the scoring. Not at other times (and this also applies to the men: “Mr Djokovic has elected to serve”)
It follows the minimalist trend that has been ongoing. “To” as in “game to Mrs King” disappeared years ago.
“Change the balls please” is now “ball change”
And so on.

[ichkeria]

Sorry didn’t see Jim’s post

[Khandro]

T-shirts & jeans in the audience (& at the opera!) where will it end ?
So what ? implies jim. The trouble is jim, once you start "so whatting" there's little reason to stop, & we end up living in a society without values & moral probity.

[bednobs]

that's a ginormous leap kahndro

[jim360]

I mean, sure. Today we start calling women by their surnames, tomorrow everything will be known just as "git". Definitely how it works.

[THECORBYLOON]

I'm almost sure that many moons ago, an fan wearing an England jersey was asked to cover it up. From memory, they were at or near, the front so would have been obvious.

[bednobs]

in 10 years time, when there is no society and it's everyone for themselves, historians will be able to trace the origins back to when wimbledon umpires stopped calling female players miss

[Khandro]

//in 10 years time, when there is no society and it's everyone for themselves, historians will be able to trace the origins back to when wimbledon umpires stopped calling female players miss//

I doubt that, but among many other small things they will note that around that time young nurses started calling elderly patients "Dear" or without invitation by their first names. Lots of things like that.