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How Could Johnson Ban Sports Games Attendance In England After This?
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It will just look like he is trying to silence the "masses".
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//At the moment he is damned if does and damned if he doesn't.//
No he’s not, danny. What people expect is logical rules, the need for which is supported by evidence (not simply “worst case scenarios”) and taking action on things we know, not on things we don’t know “just in case.”
Most of all, most people expect the rulemakers to abide by the rules. This latest episode (“working” in the garden) demonstrates that they clearly believe the rules are not for them. Not only that, they don’t even have the integrity to hold their hands up when they are copped. Instead they trot out a load of bow locks and quite frankly their explanations for the garden party are an insult to the electorate’s intelligence.
I’m afraid the Prime Minister has lost the plot with the electorate and if any new restrictions are announced they are likely to be widely ignored. As well as that he has lost the confidence of his Cabinet and there are, at last, varied opinions being heard and demands that the PM does not blindly “follow the science” without considering collateral damage. Worse than that he has lost the support of his back benchers and that is probably his biggest problem of all. It’s time he went.
No he’s not, danny. What people expect is logical rules, the need for which is supported by evidence (not simply “worst case scenarios”) and taking action on things we know, not on things we don’t know “just in case.”
Most of all, most people expect the rulemakers to abide by the rules. This latest episode (“working” in the garden) demonstrates that they clearly believe the rules are not for them. Not only that, they don’t even have the integrity to hold their hands up when they are copped. Instead they trot out a load of bow locks and quite frankly their explanations for the garden party are an insult to the electorate’s intelligence.
I’m afraid the Prime Minister has lost the plot with the electorate and if any new restrictions are announced they are likely to be widely ignored. As well as that he has lost the confidence of his Cabinet and there are, at last, varied opinions being heard and demands that the PM does not blindly “follow the science” without considering collateral damage. Worse than that he has lost the support of his back benchers and that is probably his biggest problem of all. It’s time he went.
//...there are those who say that he should leave well alone and others who say he should take decisive action..//
Those two are not mutually exclusive, danny. He should take decisive action. But those calling for it seem to be naturally assuming that the "action" involves imposing more restrictions. Equally decisive would be to announce that there will be no further restrictions. Individuals and particularly businesses need certainty - especially at this time of year. All the PM did yesterday was to kick the can down the road (slightly). He did so because he cannot gain consensus among his cabinet and the authority he once had has diminished considerably. As much as I would have hated it (and believed it would be the wrong decision) I would have preferred if he had announced yesterday that there will be further restrictions and described what they would be and when they were to take effect. People can plan on that basis. As it is now, businesses - especially the hospitality sector - are in no man's land. If they press on with the plans they have for the Christmas to New Year period they are in fear of them being cancelled by ministerial edict and if they cancel those plans they are in fear of losing trade. Either way, they are on hiding to nothing and it will cost them a packet.
Those two are not mutually exclusive, danny. He should take decisive action. But those calling for it seem to be naturally assuming that the "action" involves imposing more restrictions. Equally decisive would be to announce that there will be no further restrictions. Individuals and particularly businesses need certainty - especially at this time of year. All the PM did yesterday was to kick the can down the road (slightly). He did so because he cannot gain consensus among his cabinet and the authority he once had has diminished considerably. As much as I would have hated it (and believed it would be the wrong decision) I would have preferred if he had announced yesterday that there will be further restrictions and described what they would be and when they were to take effect. People can plan on that basis. As it is now, businesses - especially the hospitality sector - are in no man's land. If they press on with the plans they have for the Christmas to New Year period they are in fear of them being cancelled by ministerial edict and if they cancel those plans they are in fear of losing trade. Either way, they are on hiding to nothing and it will cost them a packet.
It is time he went of course NJ is right: in fact that time arrived some while back.
However, it's not as if he can just disappear and someone else take over - I am afraid we are stuck with him for some while. He isn't going to resign (if he did no doubt an interim could be put in place quickly maybe until the summer) but the most likely scenario will be that he is pushed, and that will be very messy and probably not what we need just now.
The other problem tho in any case is that the Cabinet is full of second-raters and most of those would have to go assuming someone sensible replaced Johnson (rather a bit if perhaps)
However, it's not as if he can just disappear and someone else take over - I am afraid we are stuck with him for some while. He isn't going to resign (if he did no doubt an interim could be put in place quickly maybe until the summer) but the most likely scenario will be that he is pushed, and that will be very messy and probably not what we need just now.
The other problem tho in any case is that the Cabinet is full of second-raters and most of those would have to go assuming someone sensible replaced Johnson (rather a bit if perhaps)
He'll do what he thinks is right based on the SAGE recommendations but taking into account them in his cabinet and his party rebels think is overcatious or antilebertarian or whatever there concern is. He knows Labour and minor parties will support action. What he wont care about is a few chanting fans who might even be anti mask anti vaxxer types
"He knows Labour and minor parties will support action."
Yes he can get things through Parliament but it's humiliating having to rely on Labour when you have an 80-seat majority.
It's almost painful listening to him at the moment - and I say that knowing he has a hard job and I don't really want him to announce tougher restrictions. But you can almost taste the indecision
Yes he can get things through Parliament but it's humiliating having to rely on Labour when you have an 80-seat majority.
It's almost painful listening to him at the moment - and I say that knowing he has a hard job and I don't really want him to announce tougher restrictions. But you can almost taste the indecision
Its more than obvious that Boris has no idea of how a retail or wholesale business runs.
Any hospitality venue dealing in food and drink needs to order supplies well in advance, especially this time of year. I would think most have already done so. Drink supplies especially draft beers are normally ordered to cover not only Christmas but new year also.
Staff arrangements in advance are also key to any venue.
The truth is that Boris couldn't cancel Christmas day because of what he is guilty of himself last year, so now he chooses to leave many venues in limbo land, if he does lock down after Christmas day into new year many venues will close for good. Food and drink yet again down the drain and in the bin. Well done Boris for another might, may be, could, wait and see. Just what businesses need to finish them off.
Any hospitality venue dealing in food and drink needs to order supplies well in advance, especially this time of year. I would think most have already done so. Drink supplies especially draft beers are normally ordered to cover not only Christmas but new year also.
Staff arrangements in advance are also key to any venue.
The truth is that Boris couldn't cancel Christmas day because of what he is guilty of himself last year, so now he chooses to leave many venues in limbo land, if he does lock down after Christmas day into new year many venues will close for good. Food and drink yet again down the drain and in the bin. Well done Boris for another might, may be, could, wait and see. Just what businesses need to finish them off.
Well noone knows whats going to happen for certain with omicron hsopital cases so we'er all guessing (but without the full data SAGE has).
Of course delaying a decision on closing bars etc could turn out for the best if the predicted wave dont come and everywhere can stay open in January. If it does hopefully teapots will come back and say he were right after all or maybe they will find something to complain about by using the benifit of hindsight like why didnt he just say thered be no closures ever again
Of course delaying a decision on closing bars etc could turn out for the best if the predicted wave dont come and everywhere can stay open in January. If it does hopefully teapots will come back and say he were right after all or maybe they will find something to complain about by using the benifit of hindsight like why didnt he just say thered be no closures ever again
//He'll do what he thinks is right based on the SAGE recommendations...//
Have you read much about the SAGE recommendations, bob? Here's a taster:
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Look particularly at the Fraser Nelson:Graham Medly exchange. There is little doubt in my mind that, far from making evidence- based decisions, the government is encouraging SAGE to produce decision-based evidence.
These rumblings are not from a few "anti-vaxxers" or "anti-maskers" as you suggest. There are those like Professor Philip Thomas of the University of Bristol (look him up) who believes that the SAGE members are deliberately ditching the optimistic "scenarios" produced by their models as the government believes that they do not provide sufficient evidence for them to take action,
Yes, the government will ultimately take the advice of SAGE, but the government is skewing its questions of them towards arriving at the answers it wants. (No, don't ask me why they should do that - I've long since given up trying to make sense of anything this government does in connection with the pandemic).
Have you read much about the SAGE recommendations, bob? Here's a taster:
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Look particularly at the Fraser Nelson:Graham Medly exchange. There is little doubt in my mind that, far from making evidence- based decisions, the government is encouraging SAGE to produce decision-based evidence.
These rumblings are not from a few "anti-vaxxers" or "anti-maskers" as you suggest. There are those like Professor Philip Thomas of the University of Bristol (look him up) who believes that the SAGE members are deliberately ditching the optimistic "scenarios" produced by their models as the government believes that they do not provide sufficient evidence for them to take action,
Yes, the government will ultimately take the advice of SAGE, but the government is skewing its questions of them towards arriving at the answers it wants. (No, don't ask me why they should do that - I've long since given up trying to make sense of anything this government does in connection with the pandemic).
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