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i just meant brawburd that 'they' [the govt. or whoever] are more desperate to clean up Lpool than to promote euroculture and here is a good springboard; Elsewise, i can't comprehend how they won because their urban developments, their skylines, their culture centres, museums, shopping malls, tourist ease etc do not compare to Brum or Geordieland; unless you want to include the Grafton Rooms, Walton Jail and their 'diesel fit 'er docklands'. Apart from Sixties music, The 'Liverbirds' and the East Lancs Road, which is the exit route - what have Liverpool got to crow about? - really, i'd like to know; educate me.