Genes reunited source data

[EcclesCake]

I have found a record of a birth that has a different surname to that on the birth certificate. Genes reunited does not recognise a search for the name on the birth certificate. Can anyone offer an explanation?

TIA

[bookbinder]

As nobody has come up with anything that's accurate, here are my guesses:
1. Might there be a hint of illegitimacy somewhere?
2. Might there be a hint of adoption?
3. Have you tried searching under both parents' surnames?

[EcclesCake]

More than an hint of illegitimacy! The child appears with the mothers surname in GR but with fathers name on birth certificate.

Adoption highly unlikely.

Don't know how to search under parents surnames. I'm new to this and just had a wee poke around in Genes Reunited today.

I just don't understand what the source data is and why the discrepancy.

[bookbinder]

How about searching the marriages index under both surnames? You might find that one or both parents had had other partners, which would muddy the waters a bit.

[EcclesCake]

The father never married and I know when the mother married.

It seems very strange to me that there is this discrepancy.

[craft1948]

My aunt had a different surname to the one she was registered under. She was adopted by her natural mother and step-father when she was 5 years old. Her birth had been registered by her natural father who had naughtily said that he was married to her mother, and so was given his surname.

[craft1948]

Can you give more details of what the certificate you have says..............

[EcclesCake]

I think I might need a pen and paper to work that one out Craft!

I have no reason to believe there is anyone else involved. I just don't understand where Genes Reunited gets its birth records from.

[EcclesCake]

The birth certificate names the Father (name given is what I would expect to see).

Father is not married to mother.

Surname give to child is that of Father.

However on Genes Reunited the child with Fathers surname is not recognised but is recognised with Mothers surname.

[dotty.]

have you looked in the actual GRO filmed index to see which name the child is actually indexed under rather than the transcription Genes pais for? The name could actually be under both surnames.

[EcclesCake]

Sorry have no idea how to access the GRO index, can you advise?

[dotty.]

if you are on genesreunited when you search for births do you only get to see the transcript or the filmed original index? If not then i will look at ancestry for you, what is the name and date /quarter and RD?

[EcclesCake]

I can only see what GR gives me there are no scanned official documents available for me to view (or I don't know how to vie them)

The person in question appears on Genes Reunited as Sancha Carolyn Eccles born Chatham, Kent in 1970. However I her birth certificate shows Chamberlain-Page as the surname. Eccles is the Mothers maiden name and Chamberlain-Page is the Fathers name.

I'm confused by the discrepancy.

[dotty.]

lol, ancestry have transcribed her as Caroly N Eccles
Name: Sancha Caroly N Eccles
Mother's Maiden Surname: Eccles
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1970
Registration district: Chatham
Registration county: Surrey, Kent
Volume Number: 5f
Page Number: 709 (click to see others on page)

actually on the typed index (which will have been typed up in 1970) the name appears like that!

as I suggested, she is recorded twice:
Name: Sancha Caroly N Eccles
Mother's Maiden Surname: Eccles
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1970
Registration district: Chatham
Registration county: Surrey, Kent
Volume Number: 5f
Page Number: 709 (click to see others on page

[dotty.]

sorry didn't copy and paste:
Name: Sancha Carolyn Chamberlain Page
Mother's Maiden Surname: Eccles
Date of Registration: Apr May Jun 1970
Registration district: Chatham
Registration county: Surrey, Kent
Volume Number: 5f
Page Number: 709 (click to see others on page)

[EcclesCake]

Ok, so how does that relate to what is on the birth certificate?

I am struggling to understand what the source data is for GR and the site you are accessing. Why does the child appear with he Mothers name rather than the fathers name as it appears on the birth certificate?

[dotty.]

I the parents were not married at the time but subsequently married the child is legitamised but these entries seem to have gone into the index at the same time.

[dotty.]

did they maybe marry in 1970 but after the birth?

[EcclesCake]

Thanks for all your searching.

To my knowledge they never married.

Is it not a bit odd that there are two entries?

[dotty.]

Genes reunited have bought or paid for a transcription of the general register office index , the index was compiled after each quarter and then the whole year was put on microfilm sometime in the 1980s. Therefore I am looking at an index compiled by the GRO in London from all the births registered around England and Wales in 1970.

[dotty.]

The birth certificate you have is a long birthcert i expect as they only changed to the A4 size in the mid 1970s, the child, like my birth reg will not have had a surname registered. Only the later style registrations used a surname on the entry for the baby. This is why an unmarried woman had the baby registered in her name and why, if the father of the child attended the registration, he had his name added and also added to the index. If you look, it is probable that the father signed the registration, certainly he will have had to attend with the mother to register the birth, she couls not have added his name unless he did,