Without My Permission !!

[gobofraggle]

Hello all i was wondering if anyone can help me someone i know has put photos on her aim profile of my children without my permission and i dont want my childrens pictures on the internet for everyone to see is there anything i can do to make her take these off her profile without going to see her and forcing her to take these pictures off her profile as i know if i go and see her face to face we will end up arguing thanks in advance for ure help Jennie xx

[Ethel]

If the photos are hers she can do with them as she likes - she owns the 'copyright'.

However, I can fully see your point and wouldn't like it myself. I think all you can do is ask her to remove them - she isn't breaking any criminal law, nor is there anything in civil law to help you.

As you say, you'd end up arguing if you asked her to do that, but I think the fall out would be much bigger with a solicitor involved. You could try contacting AIM but the photos don't breach their guidelines - they are not offensive in any way.

This is something that is going to cause a lot of problems for a lot of people, I think

[JonnyBoy12]

I would like to be more helpful here, but I have to mirror the above post. If we could stop any photo being posted in the media we did not want being seen there wouldn't be any papers or television at all. You did not say if the photos were taken by, and owned by your friend. Did she take them, gobfraggle?

[gobofraggle]

Thanks Ethel for ure help, the photos are mine i took them and she wanted a copy of the three photos she has on her profile and i told her they were for personal use not to be uploaded on the net which she has done i feel proud that she has these photos BUT i dont want them on the net for everyone to look at i think that is wrong !!

[sara3]

excuse my ignorance..what is AIM?

[gobofraggle]

Hi Sara... Aim is aol profile they changed it recently to Aim if ure on aol u click on a name and it brings up there profile and its called Aim profile which anyone can look at !!

[sara3]

oh, thanks!

for what it's worth, I think your "friend" is completely out of order. I wouldn't be at all happy if someone did that with pics of my kids. do they identify your kids,or link them to other profiles, like Facebook "tagging"?

why don't you crop your kids out of the originals and send them to her, suggesting she use them instead?

[Ethel]

I think it is wrong too, but all you can do is ask her to remove them.

Be quite firm. An acquaintance of mine managed to get her child's photos removed from somebody's Facebook, but only because their were comments of a vile and bullying nature attached to them. She got the police involved.

[gobofraggle]

Sara and Ethel thanks for all ure help theres nothing in the photos horrible or anything like that there not linked up to any other web site at all, it was my cousin who found the photos and she imed me to tell me as she knew i wouldnt like it, i dont want my children on someone profile where anyone can look at them and i know if i approach her shes gonna get shi88y with me and we will end up arguing shes argue over anything shes that sort of person, what my hubby did suggest is hes going to have a word with her partner and take things from there and if she doesnt get them photos off her profile i will contact her internet provider thanks Jen xx

[Postdog]

I may be missing something, but if YOU took them, surely you own the copyright, and if you specifically said don't use them for this or that, then she is in breach of that copyright.

[jno]

that sounds right to me, Postdog. There are also privacy issues here, under which I suspect gobofraggle (and her children) have rights; these are legal matters, though, and maybe you don't want matters to get that far.

[Ethel]

Yes, but have you tried enforcing copyright?

[Ethel]

I've been discussing this with a friend this morning, and she is genuinely baffled as to why you object, gobofraggle.

She points out that every time your children go out, they are on view to the public at large.

I couldn't think of any real reason why you should object, although i can see that you do.

What are you objections?

[gobofraggle]

Ethel my objections are :
Firstly : i wasnt asked if i wanted my children on show on her profile why the hell does she want my children on her profile when they are nothing to do with her and yet she has a baby of her own who is 10 months why isnt his pictures on her profile ??
Secondly : There my children surely its up to me whether i want there pictures on someone profile (which i donot) i havent got them on my profile and there my kids !!
I have rang the police this morning to get advice and basically she is breaking the law by putting my children on show on the net without my permission as her profile is open to anyone/everyone.
And yes i do agree with u Ethel about my children being in public BUT im there to protect them from the elements of this world, i cant protect them from the internet all i can do is watch over them i cant protect them from people looking at them on someones profile if u understand what i mean x

[Ethel]

So what are the police going to do about it?

I understand you don't want their picture on the internet, but you haven't said why.

[gobofraggle]

Basically i the reason why i dont want my kids photos on the net is because of perverts i dont want people like that looking at my kids i hope u can understand that !.
My hubby rang her ISP this morning and they have told him that she is not allowed to put MY kids pictures on there without our permission they are going to contact her and tell her to remove them she has 24 hours to do this then if not they will remove them themselves.
The police basically said the same so hopefully its all sorted now if not the i`ll have to take matters into hand myself and she wont like the outcome i can assure u of that as i am willing to seek/take legal action !!
I will do anything to protect my children

[Ethel]

I can see where you are coming from, I would like to know which law the police have referred to and as they have said she is breaking the law, what they intend doing about it.

As I said earlier, this is going to become a very common problem and I would like to see the relevant law for myself.

It is going to be very far reaching isn't it? I have seen photos on Friends Reunited of old school photos - groups of children - and I doubt that the holder has the permission of all the children (now adults) in the photo.

And of course anybody can take photos of anybody providing they are not trespassing to take the photos, and can do with those photos whatever they like. Hence the photos of celebrities and their children taken by paparazzi and published in newspapers and magazines.

So to be rambling, I'm genuinely interested to know which laws have been broken and the legal remedy.

[Ethel]

And another thing that has come to mind - how do the ISP know whose children the photos are of?

They are just taking your word for it? I can see that having legal repercussions too.

Or has your friend named the children in the photos?

I know my friend had an awful time getting her child's photos taken off facebook - it was only because of the very awful comments that the facebook owner had made and was inviting.

[gobofraggle]

Hi Ethel yes she did name my children both of them and there is 3 photos in question and her ISP did ask which photos they are and such but being as my kids are the only pics in there of children they wont have a problem finding them and the police are very interested in her invaiding my privacy and my childrens too thats what is against the law.
And also using my childrens pictures without my permission to put them on show on the internet,
If her ISP hasnt done anything by tomorrwow (24hurs) i have to ring back the policd

[david1702198]

i would go to the person and set aboot them wae a shovel, that'll sort it

[Ethel]

That is very interesting, because the police wouldn't do anything for JK Rowling re her toddler son's photos and she had to launch a civil action.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008/may/08/pr ivacy.medialaw

I am still searching the specific law that is being broken for the police to take action. No luck yet. Did the police tell which law it was?