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Thanks, goodsoulette, I had a look at the link, but it won't work in this case as I'm not sure there is even a signal - I turn on the TV, turn the box off standby (or reboot it for the 120th time!) but am not even getting a menu. I had a long discussion with Sky this morning and I'm getting an engineer out to it, because the box may need replacing - or the Sky dish might not be getting a signal, it is one of the older Sky+boxes - and out of warrenty. So we have to hang on until Thursday, unless it suddenly starts working again - I don't hold out much hope of that happening, as we could actually see a little bit of sky today that wasn't snow laden. Mind you, I spent quite a long time convincing the Sky advisor (!) that it wasn't still snowing this morning - I'm so glad that my broadband service isn't still with them!