Islam And Islamism

[Theland]

Islam is the religion based on the teachings of the Koran.
Islamism is the political ideology derived from Islam, but incorporating Islam especially sharia law.
Islamism is the driving force behind the Islamist terror that plagues us, and also the hot potato that many are reluctant to confront or even discuss.
Sounding the alarm on Islamism quite often invites politically correct censorship and shutting down the debate.
The whole subject easily falls massively into the category of religion and spirituality, which is why I often talk about it on here.
However, for some obscure reason, I find myself being censored, and even espousing my own beliefs in response to a request from Andy Hughes, resulted in my thread going into the black hole.
So, is The Religion Of Peace so protected from criticism that it cannot be freely discussed?

[beso]

I goes back beyond the Qu'ran, even beyond the Bible. The fundamental problem is the doctrine of monotheism particularly the Abrahamic model that underlies Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Intolerance of any alternative is inextricably bound into the foundations of all these fascist ideologies. Nowhere is this intolerance better expressed than in the holy retribution of Armageddon shared in various revisions by all of them.

They all claim to be religions of peace but none has a credible claim while their followers eagerly await a grand massacre where everyone who does not subscribe to their particular flavour of the doctrine is eliminated.

[Electrochem]

Have you ever thought that it may be something to do with the way you word your questions? As a Christian, I often recall what happened in The Crusades, There was carnage on a grand scale in the name of God. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but I know a lot of Christians, who by their attitude, make a rod for their own backs.

[naomi24]

//for some obscure reason, I find myself being censored, and even espousing my own beliefs in response to a request from Andy Hughes, resulted in my thread going into the black hole. //

You weren't censored. Others were - and not for talking about Islam. Try again.

[Theland]

Beso, do you consider Jesus a fascist?
Electrochem - would you kindly expand on your comments?
The Pope inspired Crusades are historically labelled,"Christian," but as a Christian yourself, you will appreciate that a failure to adhere to the teachings of Christ cannot possibly be called Christian in any true sense of the word.
So the Christian Crusades were not Christian were they?

[douglas9401]

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[Theland]

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[Voltage]

I thought it was illegal to talk about Islam or muslims in case you upset them !

[vetuste_ennemi]

"They all claim to be religions of peace but none has a credible claim while their followers eagerly await a grand massacre where everyone who does not subscribe to their particular flavour of the doctrine is eliminated."

Undoubtedly true. But the Christian is told to save souls ("preach the gospel") in preparation for Christ's return and the establishment of God's kingdom (all the time "loving his enemy"), while the Muslim is told that establishing God's rule is the pious duty of all Muslims, and that achieving that by force of arms is the highest expression of that piety. (Koran passim). It's called jihad.

[vetuste_ennemi]

And, Electrochem, your remark:

"As a Christian, I often recall what happened in The Crusades".

Simple history. Map of Christian Roman Empire (i.e. post Constantine). St Augustine of Hippo, etc? And find out what happened to Christian North Africa, and the Christian Levant and God knows what else between 630AD and the first crusade in 1098 or whenever.

[THECORBYLOON]

THELAND, you do not follow Jesus' Second Commandment to love your neighbour as yourself.

Can YOU call yourself a Christian?

[Chrissy22]

We need to read a lil history be4 posting I think.

[vetuste_ennemi]

OP attacks "Islam" and "Islamism".

Hate the sin but love the sinner.

Am I breaking the Golden Rule if I attack Nazism?

[Theland]

Corbyloon - Yes I can. Yes I do.
Is that OK with you?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Well, I'm not Theland's newest (or oldest) best friend. But why does he feel it necessary to justify himself to one of AB's award-winning sipp-takers?

[Theland]

Corby - You are forgiven. Pick up thy bed and walk, anywhere!

[naomi24]

THECORBYLOON, //THELAND, you do not follow Jesus' Second Commandment to love your neighbour as yourself. //

We’ve been here before and as has been demonstrated, since Jesus didn’t practice what he preached, that ‘commandment’ is highly debatable. (For the pedants who are apt to get their knickers in a knot when atheists deliberate upon scripture, for the purposes of this discussion I’m hypothesizing that the Jesus story carries some truth – hence the absence of the word ‘alleged’).

As for Theland feeling he has to justify himself, there are some very pious critics around here, none of whom appear to realise that they have the proverbial planks in their eyes. Strange.