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Add the undeclared figures from carehomes from Italy and Spain and I think you would see that we havevent the worst death rate in Europe, Moss. And compare the death rate per million in Europe and you will find we are 5th. We have the highest number of deaths in Europe but not the highest death rate.
Greece is correct though, and should ban Italy, Spain and Belgium and France.
Greece is correct though, and should ban Italy, Spain and Belgium and France.
it depends what measure you use, Apc (or more specifically, which one Greece uses). According to this one, excess deaths, the UK is behind Spain but only since Spain did a one-off upward revision of their figures.
For total deaths, the UK is second only to the USA. For percentage rise, it's second to Peru.
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But the UK is still recording far more new cases than even Spain or Italy, and that would concern me if I was Greek. Other countries are reasonably near being on top of Covid 19; we aren't.
For total deaths, the UK is second only to the USA. For percentage rise, it's second to Peru.
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But the UK is still recording far more new cases than even Spain or Italy, and that would concern me if I was Greek. Other countries are reasonably near being on top of Covid 19; we aren't.
Within Europe the figure for the death rate expressed as a percentage of all cases is 16.2% for Belgium, 15.4% for France, 14.3% for Italy, 9.5% for Spain, 4.5% for Portugal, 2.8% for Norway and 0.55% for Iceland. The corresponding figure is 14.1% for the UK.
The damage done by people falling ill and recovering without further ill effects is only economic, in the end it is an accountancy issue and people carry on with their lives. Protection of the health system from overload (by holding back the spread of the disease) is important so that seriously ill people can be saved. Overload was certainly reached in parts of Italy and probably also in Spain but I am not aware of other obvious examples (maybe France ?). Where the health service was operating within capacity one would expect some, hopefully small, differences to emerge as to how effective the service was/is. If one country's system loses patients to a greater extent than another then the comparison points to the former's shortcomings at best and at worst serious failure.
There is considerable aversion in the UK to international comparison and a number of explanations why the UK compares badly are being resorted to. That foreigners can't count is the most commonly expressed one - yes, there are bound to be inaccuracies in the numbers where testing of all fatalities has not taken place because then it is not entirely certain whether the deceased was/were infected or not.
But in this regard we have the stone and the glass house because the UK is also known to report with a very significant margin of error toward under-counting. Some authoritative sources within the UK are suggesting that between ten and thirty thousand Covid deaths are being missed out from the UK records. There is surely no comfort in pointing out that the UK is not quite the absolutely worst performer. There is no way for anyone attempting to reach well grounded conclusions from all of this sad affair not to acknowledge that in the UK lives have been lost at an appalling rate. Had they lived in another country it is virtually certain that some would have survived becoming ill with Covid 19. Had they had the good fortune of living in the best performing places it is virtually certain that most of them would have survived.
38,000+ and counting is a very large number which should have been way off the scale of probability. This is where international comparison hurts the most. Is it not time to clean up the cultural tendency to stick the head in the sand ? Is it not time to ask for improvements rather than insisting that all is well, in fact that all is the best in the world ?
The damage done by people falling ill and recovering without further ill effects is only economic, in the end it is an accountancy issue and people carry on with their lives. Protection of the health system from overload (by holding back the spread of the disease) is important so that seriously ill people can be saved. Overload was certainly reached in parts of Italy and probably also in Spain but I am not aware of other obvious examples (maybe France ?). Where the health service was operating within capacity one would expect some, hopefully small, differences to emerge as to how effective the service was/is. If one country's system loses patients to a greater extent than another then the comparison points to the former's shortcomings at best and at worst serious failure.
There is considerable aversion in the UK to international comparison and a number of explanations why the UK compares badly are being resorted to. That foreigners can't count is the most commonly expressed one - yes, there are bound to be inaccuracies in the numbers where testing of all fatalities has not taken place because then it is not entirely certain whether the deceased was/were infected or not.
But in this regard we have the stone and the glass house because the UK is also known to report with a very significant margin of error toward under-counting. Some authoritative sources within the UK are suggesting that between ten and thirty thousand Covid deaths are being missed out from the UK records. There is surely no comfort in pointing out that the UK is not quite the absolutely worst performer. There is no way for anyone attempting to reach well grounded conclusions from all of this sad affair not to acknowledge that in the UK lives have been lost at an appalling rate. Had they lived in another country it is virtually certain that some would have survived becoming ill with Covid 19. Had they had the good fortune of living in the best performing places it is virtually certain that most of them would have survived.
38,000+ and counting is a very large number which should have been way off the scale of probability. This is where international comparison hurts the most. Is it not time to clean up the cultural tendency to stick the head in the sand ? Is it not time to ask for improvements rather than insisting that all is well, in fact that all is the best in the world ?
// It would be better if the UK economy, and safer for everyone, if we holidayed in the UK. //
I would venture that a UK holiday experience this year - for many - is going to be as out of reach as a foreign holiday.
at this time there are no projected opening dates for any part of the hospitality sector; when they are permitted to open, social distancing may well reduce capacity to the point where it would be uneconomic to reopen (maybe as low as a quarter capacity).
many attractions have not only been closed for 3 months, but have been locked out of bounds to all staff and in that time, staff competency may well have expired, maintenance will be out of date and electrical and load bearing equipment may well be out of certification. the following document sets out a recovery plan for tourist railways, but the same principle will apply to theme parks, and aspects of it will apply to many other leisure facilities.
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pretty much all you'll be able to do on your holiday is walk or cycle - but not too far mind, as there are no toilet facilities, and take all your own food and drink.
I would venture that a UK holiday experience this year - for many - is going to be as out of reach as a foreign holiday.
at this time there are no projected opening dates for any part of the hospitality sector; when they are permitted to open, social distancing may well reduce capacity to the point where it would be uneconomic to reopen (maybe as low as a quarter capacity).
many attractions have not only been closed for 3 months, but have been locked out of bounds to all staff and in that time, staff competency may well have expired, maintenance will be out of date and electrical and load bearing equipment may well be out of certification. the following document sets out a recovery plan for tourist railways, but the same principle will apply to theme parks, and aspects of it will apply to many other leisure facilities.
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pretty much all you'll be able to do on your holiday is walk or cycle - but not too far mind, as there are no toilet facilities, and take all your own food and drink.
that could still happen here, Bobbi, quarantining for newcomers hasn't been introduced yet. The good news for Lanzarote is that it's a small island so when someone infected does arrive it's relatively straightforward to track him and everyone else on the plane. I don't think we're anywhere near that stage yet - still thousands of new cases every day.
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