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"Legitimate" Rape?
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Yet more evidence that belief in a fundamentalist worldview turns your brain to mush. In an effort to justify a religiously-inspired belief in the evils of abortion, this looneytunes is left with a severely dented reputation.
This comment tells us several things;
1. That the fundamentalist christian right in the USA are barking.
2. That all Senators and Congressional Representatives are urgently in need of some remedial scientific and medical education - they shouldn't just rely on comments posted in religious journals as evidence of their statement.
3. It shows how slippery and grasping they are - Even under criticism from his own supporters, the Tea Party and the religious right, he still plans to run for the Senate Seat. Even his apology is redolent with the smell of ordure - he still wants to lobby for a total ban on abortion, regardless of circumstance.
I loved this article in the Grauniad, from which i offer the following quote...
" Apparently, in conservative imagination, the interior of the vagina is much like a fleshy soda machine with a series of sacks filled with different kinds of liquids that dispense when the proper button is pushed. Press the "rape" button, and out comes the spermicide. Press the "she was asking for it" button and a welcome mat-style secretion comes out. Presumably pressing the "Jesus" button causes a secretion that enters a woman's bloodstream and teaches modesty and submission to her husband's will. The vagina really is a cave of wonders!"
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This comment tells us several things;
1. That the fundamentalist christian right in the USA are barking.
2. That all Senators and Congressional Representatives are urgently in need of some remedial scientific and medical education - they shouldn't just rely on comments posted in religious journals as evidence of their statement.
3. It shows how slippery and grasping they are - Even under criticism from his own supporters, the Tea Party and the religious right, he still plans to run for the Senate Seat. Even his apology is redolent with the smell of ordure - he still wants to lobby for a total ban on abortion, regardless of circumstance.
I loved this article in the Grauniad, from which i offer the following quote...
" Apparently, in conservative imagination, the interior of the vagina is much like a fleshy soda machine with a series of sacks filled with different kinds of liquids that dispense when the proper button is pushed. Press the "rape" button, and out comes the spermicide. Press the "she was asking for it" button and a welcome mat-style secretion comes out. Presumably pressing the "Jesus" button causes a secretion that enters a woman's bloodstream and teaches modesty and submission to her husband's will. The vagina really is a cave of wonders!"
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Legitimate rape is an oxymoron by definition. Let's not waste any more valuable time discussing the pronouncements of US politicians. It could be that in four months' time the American people will elect sa their president a man who firmly believes that the holy angels are blind but benevolent, and that Jesus Christ was the first immigrant to the American continent.
some people on all parts of the political spectrum are barking. I don't believe there are very many, right or left, who share this man's views. I'd be sorry to see him elected, and suspect he won't be.
Nor is your conclusion that "all Senators and Congressional Representatives are urgently in need of some remedial scientific and medical education" remotely justified, as I'm sure you well know. All? Nonsense. Some may be. But voters there, as here, are free to vote against them.
As for abortion, it is still the taking of human life, and people are right to weigh up whether it is good or bad. Current western liberal opinion is that it is most often the lesser of two evils, which is fine by me. But being opposed to abortion is not necessarily a sign that anyone is "barking".
Nor is your conclusion that "all Senators and Congressional Representatives are urgently in need of some remedial scientific and medical education" remotely justified, as I'm sure you well know. All? Nonsense. Some may be. But voters there, as here, are free to vote against them.
As for abortion, it is still the taking of human life, and people are right to weigh up whether it is good or bad. Current western liberal opinion is that it is most often the lesser of two evils, which is fine by me. But being opposed to abortion is not necessarily a sign that anyone is "barking".
Great news, I'll get on the phone to my various contacts at the havens tomorrow and let them know there's no need for any of those pesky pregnancy prevention measures, it'll save 'em time, oh and I'll let sapphire and CAIT know that if anyone gets pregnant from an alleged rape then they were probably were quite up for it really and there's no need ton waste their time investigating...... what a truly horrifying fella.
@JNO - Does your own sympathy for religion mean you automatically rise to its defence, regardless of what is being proposed? Because thats what seems to happen..................
You erect a strawman out of what I said. It is my understanding that this guy is proposing a ban on all abortions.All abortions, regardless of circumstance.
You say
"As for abortion, it is still the taking of human life, and people are right to weigh up whether it is good or bad. Current western liberal opinion is that it is most often the lesser of two evils, which is fine by me. But being opposed to abortion is not necessarily a sign that anyone is "barking".
Maybe so, but in my opinion it is a sign that one is barking, or at least rationally challenged by ones faith if you wish to impose a total ban on abortions - which is my understanding of what this guy would like to introduce and of course is the reason he got in such a mess over the whole "legitimate rape" thing - cos thats where his religious convictions led him.Nor has he changed his viewpoint - just come out with the usual weasel words faux sincere apology - without changing their actual belief or convictions.
Members of the political establishment on both sides of the atlantic that have any sort of formal scientific or medical training are few and far between, which is to the detriment of the political establishment,and those they govern.Scientists are under represented when compared to the general population. (based on the admittedly scanty data I have been able to find for House of Congress and Houses of Parliament) Science 101 would be invaluable for a very large proportion of them.
You erect a strawman out of what I said. It is my understanding that this guy is proposing a ban on all abortions.All abortions, regardless of circumstance.
You say
"As for abortion, it is still the taking of human life, and people are right to weigh up whether it is good or bad. Current western liberal opinion is that it is most often the lesser of two evils, which is fine by me. But being opposed to abortion is not necessarily a sign that anyone is "barking".
Maybe so, but in my opinion it is a sign that one is barking, or at least rationally challenged by ones faith if you wish to impose a total ban on abortions - which is my understanding of what this guy would like to introduce and of course is the reason he got in such a mess over the whole "legitimate rape" thing - cos thats where his religious convictions led him.Nor has he changed his viewpoint - just come out with the usual weasel words faux sincere apology - without changing their actual belief or convictions.
Members of the political establishment on both sides of the atlantic that have any sort of formal scientific or medical training are few and far between, which is to the detriment of the political establishment,and those they govern.Scientists are under represented when compared to the general population. (based on the admittedly scanty data I have been able to find for House of Congress and Houses of Parliament) Science 101 would be invaluable for a very large proportion of them.
"Legitimate rape" . . . makes about as much sense as . . . 'retroactive abortion'.
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http://www.jefflindsay.com/pup.shtml
This story and many others together with the utter mindbendingly absurdity of ALL religions, really does reinforce my belief that anybody who believes is at best deluded and further along the religious spectrum a complete idiot.
The very premise of there being a higher authority is just so ridiculous that it is akin to the belief in the existence in Lephrachauns.
If there were people who genuinely believed in leprachauns, we'd all think they were barking mad, and yet for some bizarre unfathomable reason, those that believe in god are considered normal (small n) despite there being just as much evidence of the existence of leprachauns as there is of god - None.
The mind truly boggles.
It genuinely surprises me that people like Todd Akin hold these barmy views and yet are accepted as sane - and, no doubt, he has many supporters who also hold these views.
The very premise of there being a higher authority is just so ridiculous that it is akin to the belief in the existence in Lephrachauns.
If there were people who genuinely believed in leprachauns, we'd all think they were barking mad, and yet for some bizarre unfathomable reason, those that believe in god are considered normal (small n) despite there being just as much evidence of the existence of leprachauns as there is of god - None.
The mind truly boggles.
It genuinely surprises me that people like Todd Akin hold these barmy views and yet are accepted as sane - and, no doubt, he has many supporters who also hold these views.
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