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Not before time as far as I am concerned. Most of those killed at the weekend weren't even attending the Airshow....just driving on a busy main road. This is hardly the first time this has happened, is it ?
Not before time as far as I am concerned. Most of those killed at the weekend weren't even attending the Airshow....just driving on a busy main road. This is hardly the first time this has happened, is it ?
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I think it`s the right thing to do until they investigate further.
17:31 Mon 24th Aug 2015
They should really wait until they know what happened. Vintage aircraft covers the Vulcan bomber and the Red Arrows. Incidentally the hawker hunter, in military service until 2014, is the same age as the American B52 which is still in squadron service and will continue to be until 2040, another 25 years. So with regard to aircraft, vintage doesn't mean a lot.
I am absolutely no aviation expert, but it seems to me that thorough testing of any pilot is not going to eradicate the safety issues here.
Surely the first point of examination should be the notion of flying aircraft in a way in which they were clearly not designed to be flown, putting attendant and fatal stresses on parts that are not designed to experience them.
An experienced pilot flying loops in a plane designed to fly from A to B is asking for trouble - and his or her experience is not the issue - nor is it going to prevent a repea of this tragedy.
Surely the first point of examination should be the notion of flying aircraft in a way in which they were clearly not designed to be flown, putting attendant and fatal stresses on parts that are not designed to experience them.
An experienced pilot flying loops in a plane designed to fly from A to B is asking for trouble - and his or her experience is not the issue - nor is it going to prevent a repea of this tragedy.
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divebuddy - "I don't know if anybody has ever noticed, but most of our airports are fairly close to roads. On M25 you can easily read the writing on planes landing at Heathrow. And that's after they've flown directly over London. "
That's true, but since most civilian pilots don't tend to try looping the loop over major airports in 757's, I don't think we should worry too much!
That's true, but since most civilian pilots don't tend to try looping the loop over major airports in 757's, I don't think we should worry too much!
I'm glad you said you were no aviation expert, Andy.
The Hawker Hunter was never designed to "fly from A to B". As you can see from this article:
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it was developed as a highly maneuverable fighter aircraft. It was probably the finest aircraft designed and built solely in the UK bar the English Electric Lightning which largely replaced it. I've flown in both types and I can tell you that the very last thing either was designed for was getting from A to B! (Though I was staying on an RAF station once where a two-seat training version of the Lightning was used to ferry a mechanic and his tools from Norfolk to Leuchars in Scotland to see to a Lightning there that refused to start. He was there and back in a little over three hours, including starting the errant aircraft and having a spot of lunch).
This incident is a tragedy. But let's find out why it happened before we ban all airshows which give millions of people across the world immense pleasure.
The Hawker Hunter was never designed to "fly from A to B". As you can see from this article:
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it was developed as a highly maneuverable fighter aircraft. It was probably the finest aircraft designed and built solely in the UK bar the English Electric Lightning which largely replaced it. I've flown in both types and I can tell you that the very last thing either was designed for was getting from A to B! (Though I was staying on an RAF station once where a two-seat training version of the Lightning was used to ferry a mechanic and his tools from Norfolk to Leuchars in Scotland to see to a Lightning there that refused to start. He was there and back in a little over three hours, including starting the errant aircraft and having a spot of lunch).
This incident is a tragedy. But let's find out why it happened before we ban all airshows which give millions of people across the world immense pleasure.
New Judge - I am delighted to be corrected by your personal experience - thank you for that.
Even so, I would wish to suggest that the sort of manoeuvres that so enthral airshow guests may be beyond the ability of even this type of aircraft?
I would not suggest banning any airshow until proper investigations have been completed.
Even so, I would wish to suggest that the sort of manoeuvres that so enthral airshow guests may be beyond the ability of even this type of aircraft?
I would not suggest banning any airshow until proper investigations have been completed.
It's not a passenger jet, it's a fighter jet. Consequently in a dog fight with enemy aircraft it would have needed to be able to take evasive actions which your average 757 wouldn't be able to do! They are designed to be able to do this sort of thing.
Who knows why it crashed - the internet is awash with theories but until they have investigated they will not know. I can understand the ban in some ways, but cannot help thinking it is a knee jerk reaction. I cant remember the last time there was an air show crash which involved civilians - tragic as it is, I do not see that practically banning all land air shows is the answer.
Who knows why it crashed - the internet is awash with theories but until they have investigated they will not know. I can understand the ban in some ways, but cannot help thinking it is a knee jerk reaction. I cant remember the last time there was an air show crash which involved civilians - tragic as it is, I do not see that practically banning all land air shows is the answer.
"The Civil Aviation Authority said they would be "limited to flypasts", which meant "high-energy aerobatics" would not be permitted in displays over land"
I wouldn't dream of gainsaying the CAA here. It appears that this new restriction isn't designed to be permanent, just until they have investigated this latest incident.
I wouldn't dream of gainsaying the CAA here. It appears that this new restriction isn't designed to be permanent, just until they have investigated this latest incident.
No probs, vulcan.
I forgot to include in my assessment of UK aircraft, of course, the three V-bombers, one of which at least I'm sure you're very fond of. I think certainly the Victor and the Vulcan were equal to the Lightning in design and capabilities. In the days when I managed to cadge rides in various RAF aircraft I never managed a trip in any of the V-bombers. The closest I got was a "fast taxi" in a Vulcan. Happy days !!!
I forgot to include in my assessment of UK aircraft, of course, the three V-bombers, one of which at least I'm sure you're very fond of. I think certainly the Victor and the Vulcan were equal to the Lightning in design and capabilities. In the days when I managed to cadge rides in various RAF aircraft I never managed a trip in any of the V-bombers. The closest I got was a "fast taxi" in a Vulcan. Happy days !!!
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