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Tier 4 Car Share Restrictions
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Apparently, my home town (Stoke on Trent?) is now in tier 4
and car share restrictions are in place.
If, this is the case,
Then can anyone explain the logic?
Tomorrow I have a lift into work from someone who will be spending the day on a van with me.
Am I safer (or is anyone else safer) if I get the bus alongside a dozen or so others??
and car share restrictions are in place.
If, this is the case,
Then can anyone explain the logic?
Tomorrow I have a lift into work from someone who will be spending the day on a van with me.
Am I safer (or is anyone else safer) if I get the bus alongside a dozen or so others??
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I believe Nailit is asking someone to explain the logic to him about some of these these restrictions and he's not the first but the answers from the same people are always the same. Don't ask just do as you're told. Why? Because no-one can give a logical reason.
21:37 Wed 30th Dec 2020
Nailit, I've had to accept myself, that the rules are very general and a bit arbitrary. They just can't account for every individual.
We got to the point where I was working with my sister and daughter, and looking after a granddaughter, every single day over Christmas (and before). That was fine, but we weren't allowed to sit at the same table together. Only breathe over each other.
I think, don't bother asking... you know what makes sense, but it probably won't be accounted for legally.
We got to the point where I was working with my sister and daughter, and looking after a granddaughter, every single day over Christmas (and before). That was fine, but we weren't allowed to sit at the same table together. Only breathe over each other.
I think, don't bother asking... you know what makes sense, but it probably won't be accounted for legally.
This situation with you and your colleague being together in the van is clearly troubling you Nailit, as you've mentioned it a few times now.
You need to take it up with your employer if you dont feel Covid safe. You should have a Covid risk assessment, PPE to wear, ventilation, regular breaks and regular cleaning of the van. If some or none of this is happeneing then talk to someone.
Going on a bus is not really the issue is it? Firstly you would have social distancing on a bus, you would be required to wear a mask and you would not be on the bus all day.
If you are being forced to spend all day in a van with a colleague and no new procedures, then kick up a fuss.
You need to take it up with your employer if you dont feel Covid safe. You should have a Covid risk assessment, PPE to wear, ventilation, regular breaks and regular cleaning of the van. If some or none of this is happeneing then talk to someone.
Going on a bus is not really the issue is it? Firstly you would have social distancing on a bus, you would be required to wear a mask and you would not be on the bus all day.
If you are being forced to spend all day in a van with a colleague and no new procedures, then kick up a fuss.
Agree 100% with Maydup. This topic comes up in your posts quite often and clearly troubles you so raise it with the employer and ask them to confirm that they done a full risk assessment on van sharing. You may find that if you both wear masks and sit on different rows of the van diagonally behind each other with windows open it would be considered sufficiently Covid safe. Also ask them to confirm the day starts when your picked up int he van. If they dont allow you to get a lift to work it seems inconistsant if they say working together in the van is okay but youll just after make your own way to work as many others do
The guidance states,
"In tier 2, tier 3 and tier 4 areas, car sharing is not permitted with someone from outside your household or your support bubble unless your journey is undertaken for an exempt reason. For example, if car sharing is reasonably necessary as part of your work."
You'll need to get a bus or taxi to work unless you both share a bubble.
"In tier 2, tier 3 and tier 4 areas, car sharing is not permitted with someone from outside your household or your support bubble unless your journey is undertaken for an exempt reason. For example, if car sharing is reasonably necessary as part of your work."
You'll need to get a bus or taxi to work unless you both share a bubble.
//Its a bog standard transit van, not a bloody limo.//
Indeed. Most vans do not have two rows of seats.
Tradesmen of all sorts have to spend time travelling with each other. I have had two major jobs done since last March and both of them involved a couple of vans or lorries with two or three workers in each of them. Most of the tradesmen were self-employed - i.e. no work, no pay.
The government can legislate to its hearts content but blokes like that are not going to fanny about travelling from site to site in different vans and cars or on a push bike. They have to work, they have to travel in vans together to do that work and they're not going to fanny about with risk assessments, face coverings and other paraphernalia to keep them "safe" from the people with whom they spend all day clambering about on roofs. People have to live their lives as they must, not as the government thinks they should.
Get your lift to work, nailit and work as you would. There are specific exemptions from much of the legislation for work purposes and there isn't anybody around who is going to take action against you or your mate when you travel between your house and your job when they couldn't do so after you've started work.
Indeed. Most vans do not have two rows of seats.
Tradesmen of all sorts have to spend time travelling with each other. I have had two major jobs done since last March and both of them involved a couple of vans or lorries with two or three workers in each of them. Most of the tradesmen were self-employed - i.e. no work, no pay.
The government can legislate to its hearts content but blokes like that are not going to fanny about travelling from site to site in different vans and cars or on a push bike. They have to work, they have to travel in vans together to do that work and they're not going to fanny about with risk assessments, face coverings and other paraphernalia to keep them "safe" from the people with whom they spend all day clambering about on roofs. People have to live their lives as they must, not as the government thinks they should.
Get your lift to work, nailit and work as you would. There are specific exemptions from much of the legislation for work purposes and there isn't anybody around who is going to take action against you or your mate when you travel between your house and your job when they couldn't do so after you've started work.
//Then can anyone explain the logic?
Tomorrow I have a lift into work from someone who will be spending the day on a van with me//
//How many times can you ask the same question about being in the van with your workmates in a different way?//
It might take a few tries but I persevere...
The question is straight forward enough but the answers tend to skirt around the point.
Hence I ask again ;-)
Tomorrow I have a lift into work from someone who will be spending the day on a van with me//
//How many times can you ask the same question about being in the van with your workmates in a different way?//
It might take a few tries but I persevere...
The question is straight forward enough but the answers tend to skirt around the point.
Hence I ask again ;-)
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