Credit Where It's Due.....

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp35r0v7q95o

Get the work shy scum off their sofas, great.

[barry1010]

I'll believe it when it happens, we've heard it all before 

[davebro3]

Let's see if it works as well as "smashing the smugglers" or, indeed, better than the proposals the Cons had to deal with it.

[douglas9401]

Yoppertunities abound, again.

[Rosetta]

Its essential to catch the youngsters at the earliest opportunity before they develope habits of clinging to the sofa, which can become life long. But there also has to be the carrot as well as the stick

[naomi24]

//there also has to be the carrot as well as the stick//

 

The carrot is money - money earned from working.   I hope it works but like everything else this government does, it doesn't appear to have been thought through.  With the increase in the minimum wage and the imposition of higher Employers' National Insurance contributions employers will soon be laying people off - so jobs?  What jobs?

[nicebloke1]

Theres no carrots to be had Rosetta, only the ones (you buy) after you've ( earned) the money to buy them. No prizes I'm afraid for doing what you should be doing. Working to live.

[Bazile]

//...But there also has to be the carrot as well as the stick//

If you're able to work there should be no carrot needed to  look for a job 

[webbo3]

Is this another YTS?

[Rosetta]

One possible carrot is increasing the number and type of apprenticeships. Typically apprenticeships have been in science and technology, geared traditionally more to boys. I dont  know if others are available in say hospitality or retail, these would give the aim of establishing and developing career prospets, rather just minimum wage/ zero hours work. In saying all this I am no fan of Labour and its policies but sensible thought out  policies should be cross party. Idealistic maybe ,but just some practical ideas to improve the current situation that has developed over the decades

[nicebloke1]

Yes it is YTS. (Your To Slow,) getting out of bed looking for a job. Here's big kick up the backside. No work, no pay.

[naomi24]

With the increased costs they're facing, employers are going to be laying people off rather than recruiting.  

[Rosetta]

I agree no work no pay. Maybe schools and parents need to be more realistic, not everyoe is university material and there are imo, many degrees that are useless both to the individual in terms of job opportunities and to society as a whole. I am convinced the expansion of the ideal of increased university uptake was a cynical move by Tony Blair to massage downwards the unemployment figures

[nicebloke1]

10.17 minimum wage, zero hours. Believe it or not there are millions of young people that have not even experienced the above, in fact never had any sort of job since leaving school. 

You don't just jump into a well paid job, you start at the very bottom of the ladder. 

NO employer is going to pay you top dollar until you prove your worth, and theres only one way to do that. The longer you stay at home doing nothing the harder its going to get to prove your worth, especially if an employer asks you how long you've been dossing at home for, you become even more unemployable. I"m not for one second saying its easy to start at the bottom of the ladder, but everyone has to, and has done it at some time in their life.

[nicebloke1]

10.34 universitiy has become an excuse to avoid work in many cases. 

[ToraToraTora]

10:39 nicebloke talking sense! What happened?

[naomi24]

In normal circumstances he would be talking sense.  However, in current circumstances he's overlooked the elephant in the room.

[Rosetta]

10.39 for once I agree with you nice bloke. But I still maintain realistic opportunities/aims are important and the carrot of increasing schemes like apprenticeships can only help. Take abbey as an example, even though she has some challenges she could easily argue that she cant work at all and be on benefits. Instead of that she wants to work and with some support from the job centre staff (which she seems not to get,) where she is not hopping from one job to another she should find it easier to settle in  realistic work with some chance of job satisfaction that will keep her working. she cant be the only one

Maybe there should be more job experience opportunites in schools

[nicebloke1]

Like I said its not easy starting at the bottom of the ladder. As you can see above you will have to overcome negative people on your way up the ladder, but eh oh, its all good experience, and it can also make you a stronger person. If you yourself are looking for employment, just get out there and take what you can get, because you will be seen as a go getter opposed to a dosser.

[naomi24]

 //you will have to overcome negative people//

 

Realistic people aren't negative - they're realistic.  Fat lot of good telling people to get jobs when you've imposed extra costs that make it more expensive for employers to recruit.

[youngmafbog]

I agree with what nicebloke says, unfortunatgely people seem to be ignoring what Naomi has written.

Already firms are trimming their staff or putting recuitrment freezes in place due to the min wage and Employers insurance grab.  In addiiton to this are the forthcoming working practices such as zero hours and not being able to get rid of rubbish.  This all means ther will not be jobs for people who are currebty workshy.  An empolyer would be nuts to take on anyone like this given they couldn't get shot of them and have to pay dearly for the priviledge

A shame really, it's going to be scuppered by Rachael from complaints and the GOAS.