moving away

[pigeon toes]

I would like to move abroad next year. Everyone is being supportive of me and saying i should go for it. Iv already even been offered a job (comission based mind you) Anyways, the only person who is putting a dampener on it, is my dad. He says that i need alot of money and that the wages are really bad out there ect and he doesn't see the appeal (he knows from experience). Can anyone offer me any advise, as this is something that i would really like to do and i dont want one person to put me off.
Thank you

[jackthehat]

As you have already decided not to heed the advice of someone who, by your own admission, knows you best and has experience of the situation...........what you are really asking for is reinforcement that your urge to go is correct.

How can us strangers offer any impartial advice if you are disinclined to listen to the negatives ?

What exactly is this dream job ?

[jno]

and where? If it's the USA or Australia or somewhere you might like to take your chances; if it's Mongolia or Darfur, maybe not. But if your dad really has experience of this place, or somewhere very similar, you'd be wise to take his advice seriously, even if in the end you don't follow it.

[pigeon toes]

jackthehat, i never said it was a 'dream' job!, just that i'd been offered one. It's still in Europe. I am happy to listen to the negatives, bt what im saying is that he's the only person with a negative, everything else is posative.
My point is, this is an experience that i would really really like to have, and i wondered if anyone had any advise on living abroad, the wage, and generally getting by. My dad's is one persons opinion, and i would like to hear others.

[spudqueen]

Maybe your Dad just doesn't want you to move away and so he's putting a dampner on it. My brother did the same thing to me when I said I was moving to the small village where he and his wife had lived for seven years, though they'd moved out a couple of years before I was moving there. He did everything he could to put me off moving here, not that it did, but it turned out that they were splitting up and as her Mother lived in the village he thought that I would see his wife a lot. As it turns out I've never seen his wife and only seen her mother twice!

[jackthehat]

Selling Timeshare apartments in Spain ?
Pole-dancing in Riga ?

A little expansion of the details may assist........

[pigeon toes]

tbh im not sure if the details but basicly it was telesales (in Spain). Probaly time share but im not too sure. I thought it could at least keep me going until something better comes along (if it does!) My dad reckons that i wont stick it out more than a few days. but i'l have to, cos il need the �. Iv never quit a job before without having somewhere else to go..

[jackthehat]

It's not a good move. You already know that it will be commission-based and you'll have to sell, sell, sell-your-soul to acheive a living wage. Sun, Sea and sand are great but you will be working too hard to appreciate it all.
Disappointment sets in very soon and then you'll be trapped because you'll need to be earning in order to extricate yourself.
Why aren't you sure 'of the details' ?

[pigeon toes]

Cos when i was last in spain i was just chatting to the guy in general conversation, and he said that he works in an office (like i do) he told me to go to the office the next day so i could work there for a couple hours and find out exactly what they do, and to see if i enjoy it. i agreed but then cancelled the next day as i didnt see the point as its not til next year that i can move there. so i never really got the details.Iv also been told about off shore work but i really dont know where to start looking with it all.

[jackthehat]

I wouldn't tell you that it is all a scam..........but Timeshare tele-sales sails pretty close. It's not ended well for any of the people I know who have done the work you describe.
Pressure to reach your targets in order to reach your commission level is intense........

[pigeon toes]

i kinda actually agree with you, i mean, if somebody called me up trying to sale it to me, i would hang up on them!!! I don't imagine i would get much � out of it. But i'm stuck really, cos iv always wanted to live abroad and this is the best and only oppurtunity i have. I dont wanna regret not going when im older. It's such a tough decision. Did i mention that my mum and dad actually live there too. although they may not be there this time next year.

[BBWCHATT]

Do you think your Dad thinks it isn't a very good job and that he would have to take care of you financially?

[jackthehat]

I'm all in favour of 'seizing the day' but believe that it has to be done with a fair bit of research.
Not being able to go abroad NOW doesn't necessarily mean that you will NEVER be able to go. I take it that you are reasonably young..........
If your Mum and Dad live in the area, get your Dad to have a good look around the '(Proper) Job Vacancies' advertised in the area. Use his knowledge and the fact that he's local and enlist his help. He will be far more accommodating and receptive if he can see that you are approaching this from a mature angle. Allow him to find out how much apartments/rooms for rent are out there so you'll know what you can expect to have to pay to remain out there if your parents come back home.
Take it from me, us 'oldies' do have a fair bit of nous and despite all evidence to the contrary we do only have you youngsters best interests at heart.

[jno]

well, I'd say go for it, follow your dream and all that... BUT have a plan B in case it all goes wrong, you can't stand the work, you can't stand the country etc. This may imply being able to stay with your parents till you can find other work, having some sort of bolthole back in the UK to go to etc. This is somewhat conservative advice, but it's no fun being stuck on your own in a foreign country with no job, no home or no money. On the other hand, no point in living all your life with regrets about the risks you never took.

[pigeon toes]

He has mentioned that, but iv told him that i dont want anything from him money wise. just his help and advise. (and a place to stay til my mate joins me and we get a flat)

[Bob A Job]

sounds like its a time share telesales con job, theres plenty of them going round out here where i live (the canaries) and most of the people who work for them make a lot of money very quickly (if your the boss) or wrk your ass off for potential commision (that you never end up getting because of smallprint). If your really thinking of working abroad there are alot better options for you trust me.
Working anywhere in the EU is as easy as photocopying your passport. Getting a good job is easy if your actually good at something, it doesnt matter what, people normally find a way. just dont expect to continue with your current way of life, you will have to make large sacrifices, and lose nearly all your friends, and some of your family.
Having said that, get �1,500 in th bank and give yourself 6 months outside the UK, at the worst youve had a long holiday and found out what doesnt work for you.
GOOD LUCK!

[pigeon toes]

Bob a Job, thankyou. You have confirmd everything that i was already thinking. The best thing for me to do in the mean time is save my ass of!!!!
Thanks for everyones answers. xx

[emmagleb]

where have you been ofered the job, what country? I'm ding something similar - I'm moving to Germany to study my postgrad uni course rather than taking it here. Realistically, moving somewhere else can be expensive, but if you really want to do it you'll find a way. Work out what costs there will be and set that against what you hope to earn while you're there, and how much you're currently earning. Maybe it'll take some additional work (evenings or weekends) before you go to get that extra bit of money behind you. Consider cost of living too - is the wage level proportional? If the wage is low and the cost of living (rent, food etc) is also low then there's little difference. Your Dad may just be trying to keep your feet on the ground and prevent you from getting too carried away. Maybe he'll miss you a lot and can't admit to it!! Use it as an opportunity to proove yourself - be sensible and work things through logically, write it all down, look at costs, and then talk it through with him. Could help!!
GOOD LUCK with it.

[Dassie]

Do you speak fluent Spanish?

Why not go for a job on a cruise ship if you want to travel. Ok wages not too great but you have free board and lodging and get to see places.

[Reverandfunk]

I did 6 months in Gran Canaria a couple of years ago and whilst I had a good time and earned decent money, literally everyone over there will try and rip you off and I saw loads of young people that this happened to.. I don't know how old you are but would suggest you go with a friend and have �2000.00 in the bank.

Basic one bed apartments were 450-600 euros a month plus a months deposit so you will have to lay out 1000 euros as soon as you arrive.