Latest measures to combat terrorism?

[anotheoldgit]

The latest measures the goverment are taking to combat Muslim terrorism, oh! so sorry "anti Islamic activity"

Young people found to be falling under the spell of potential terrorists will be targeted for help by community leaders and the authorities.

Outdoor activity centres and sports facilities will be sent guidance to stop them being used as meeting places by fanatics after the July 7 bombers were photographed attending a white water rafting centre in Wales.

Mosques will be helped to root out extremism, with imams encouraged to learn English. Efforts will be made to improve the access of women to mosques and their management committees.

There will be new advice for universities on how to deal with extremism on campus, and a crackdown on extremist material in libraries and galleries.

A forum of headteachers will be set up to advise on what more can be done to protect children and build bridges between communities.

Youngsters will be taught about all faiths in schools, and �2million will be spent "twinning" schools of different faiths.

Funding will be boosted to allow more youngsters to carry out volunteer work overseas.

The Government also wants to hold more "roadshows" of mainstream Islamic scholarship around the country.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles /news/news.html?in_article_id=508901&in_page_i d=1770

[China Doll]

That all seems very promising to me.

[Gromit]

The measures seem reasonable to me also. The re-branding has gone awry though.

I don't think it was fair or accurate to label the like of the 7/7 bombers "Islamic terrorists" . Their activities have nothing at all to do with Islam even if they themselves believe they are fighting that cause.

However, the rebranded "anti-Islamic activity" is equally wide of the mark. To plant a bomb on a train cannot be called an anti-Islamic activity and it is ludicrous to suggest it is.

"Anti-western terrorists" is the term I would use.

[Booldawg]

Muslim youths in the UK need to be campaigned by Le Coq Sportif and WKD alcopops to get in tow with the UK in the 21st century.

[vehelpfulguy]

More effort should be spent in encouraging as many Muslims to leave the country as possible.

Why you ask?

I have just watched "Who do they think you are" with Julia Sawalha and it gave you an idea of how intolerance (religious and otherwise) causes so many problems.

Her mother was decended from Hugenots (French Protestants) who were hounded out of France in their hundreds of thousands by the Catholic rulers in France.

Protestants who refused to convert had their children taken away and put into convents where they were forced to become Catholics.

The parents could have their belongings taken away, their home taken by the state, and could even be killed.

Over 200,000 people left France, with over 50,000 coming to England.

Religion makes people so tolertant doesn't it.

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[vehelpfulguy]

continued....

Julie Sawalha's father came from Jordan.

While I accept Jordan has improved, it showed how the men ran the country and women were not allowed to have any real responsibilities.

While Julia's mother broke out of this mould and statred her own business she had to do it in a world where the men looked down on the women, and it was hard work for her.

Many Muslims in the UK still treat their women like that, and there is no place for it in this country.

I saw a Muslim man in our local High Street the other day, and his wife was walking 6 feet behind, wearing her all in one burka, while pushing a push chair.

I got very angry. Women died in this country to get women the vote and to get them equal rights. I hate to see woman so subserviant to men.

There is no place for this medival thinking in 20th century Britain.

Let's try to reduce the number of Muslims now before it leads to a civil war.

[vehelpfulguy]

One final thing I will say.

WHY SHOULD WE NEED TO DO ALL THESE THINGS.

We let these people come here, we gave them a country to live in, we gave them a place to work and start businesses, we allowed them to practice their religion, we gave them a democratic country to live in.

How do we get repayed ?

They plot, they plant bombs like cowards, they spout hate in their mosques, they spout hate on the streets, they raise money for terrorists, they go to Pakistan to learn how to be terrorists.

Fine way to treat a country and a people where you came to live.

Let's encourage them all to LEAVE so we can have our country back.

[Lonnie]

With the past record of this Goverment, its just got to be either another soundbite, and nothing done, or another Quango.

[Booldawg]

*applauds vehelpfulguy* you have acknowledged and aerated the views of EVERYONE I meet in the real world; old and young alike. The only place I find differing opinions is on the net where people are able to hide behind anonymous screen names.

[jonnythebosh]

Anti Islamic is the biggest load of horse i have heard from our useless home office for a while. They would like you to think that it is un-Islamic but i'm afraid if you read the Koran it is entirely in keeping with what it preaches. The Koran states that other faiths living amongst Muslims have got 3 choices:
1, Convert to Islam.
2, Suffer Dhimmitude (slavery) and pay a tribute to survive.
3, Death.
Try reading it if you want and then see how un-Islamic these terrorists are. It might open your eyes about how full of it this government is as well.

[Oneeyedvic]

jonnythebosh - Have you read The Bible? Do you think that people should live by Christian beliefs and attitudes?

[Kromovaracun]

This thread is extremely depressing.

The measures endorsed in the title post are actually perfectly reasonable methods in countering terrorism. Those who moan and groan about them quite frankly need to read up on their history.

[jonnythebosh]

Yes i have oneeye, and at no piont does it advocate death and subjugation of other faiths. I take with that question you mean that you have not read the relevant parts of the Koran i refer to? Try it, but then i suppose that will mean you are unable to mount the expected liberal biased denial of what Islam truly represents.

[Oneeyedvic]

You obviously haven't read your Bible very well.

To give one example: Deuteronomy 7:1-2,:" When the LORD your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations�the Hittites, ***********, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites, seven nations larger and stronger than you and when the LORD your God has delivered them over to you and you have defeated them, then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy."

The Bible does also call for the murder of many people including those who work on a Sunday and those who were not a virgin on their wedding nights plus many many more.

It mentions that God killed kids for calling a person bald.

It mentions that you are free to trade in slaves.



But I suppose that is okay with you? or is the Bible truly evil as well?

Or maybe, just maybe, if you read anything out of context or take rules that were made almost two thousand years ago, there may be some ludicrous 'laws'.