E U Disastrous For U K Says Government Minister

[ChillDoubt]

Surprised that Grayling has been allowed to stick his head so far above the parapet:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35308763

[ichkeria]

That is what Cameron has allowed/is stuck with

[VHG]

This for me was his key statement:

"Nor can we simply accept endless migration from across Europe with no ability to slow or stop the resulting growth in our population,"

The problem is the EU allows total free movement between countries, and it does not allow a country to set any limit based on it size, population, economy or any other factor.

I theory EVERY person who lives in Poland (or any other EU country) could come and live here and we cant stop them.

And of course people will head to where the best "free" money is (i.e.
benefits) and we are one of the most stupid (generous).

As a country we are massively in debt, have a crumbling infrastructure (like out housing estates), and we can no longer be so generous with anyone and everyone.

[webbo3]

Well said VHG.



Dave.

[ichkeria]

Grayling in his article, of course, does not mention immigration.
His is the classic Tory "loss of sovereignty" argument, based actually on a principle that "we didn't get what we voted for" and "it isn't democratic"
Whatever you think of that, it is fascinating to hear Grayling "support the prime minister" and "it is imperative that his renegotiation takes place and delivers as much potential change as possible"
Mr G is like a crocodile sat on the bank of the river smiling at his party leader.
When the deal is done will Mr Grayling be putting away his false teeth, or snapping the PM up for lunch I wonder :-)
Could he possibly hoping the deal will be a *** one?

[youngmafbog]

Depends on whether Cameron 'Does a Corbyn' based on that.

[dannyk13]

Good job he isn't a Labour minister otherwise he would be out of a job

[ichkeria]

"Depends on whether Cameron 'Does a Corbyn' based on that. "

Depends surely on the deal - and I think most people whether we are "in" or "out" agree that it will be a waste of space. Grayling, by saying that the EU is "disastrous for Britain" seems to have nailed his colours to the mast. It's hard to see a deal between Cameron and the EU coming about which would satisfy such a toothy Eurosceptic :-)

[youngmafbog]

I was referring more to the 'open vote' that is then used against anyone not towing the Leaders views.

[ichkeria]

Sorry I still don't follow.
Division on Europe is the least of Labour's problems just now.