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This Is Rich Coming From The Person Who Encouraged Them In.
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This is rich coming from the person who encouraged them.
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How did Merkel encourage them (presumably you mean refugees) in?
People are fleeing Syria because half the world seem to be dropping bombs on them. If we didn't want the people to flee, perhaps we shoyldn't have joined the bombing? Merkel is no more responsible for the Turkey/Greece border than she is for our border.
People are fleeing Syria because half the world seem to be dropping bombs on them. If we didn't want the people to flee, perhaps we shoyldn't have joined the bombing? Merkel is no more responsible for the Turkey/Greece border than she is for our border.
“How did Merkel encourage them (presumably you mean refugees) in?”
Perhaps “encourage” is not the correct word. Maybe “made welcome, on behalf of 27 other nations who were not consulted, after they pitched up uninvited” is more appropriate.
There are plenty of sources where you can look up what she did. She effectively unilaterally abandoned the Dublin Agreement and told the world that Germany will accept as refugees whoever turns up. Of course that decision did not solely affect Germany but had profound implications for all the EU nations (and some non-EU ones) that lie between Turkey and Germany. This is now plain for see (including, very belatedly, Frau Merkel) and outrageously ridiculous agreements (which, similarly will affect the entire EU) are now being sought with Turkey to sort out the shambles.
She may not be directly responsible for the Turkey/Greece border but her utter stupidity has increased enormously the pressure on that border. As Svejk has pointed out, the vast majority of the migrants are not refugees and they are not from Syria. So the blame for the influx cannot solely be laid at the door of the politicians who are currently authorising the bombing. They are simply chancers who have jumped on the bandwagon following Frau Merkel’s ludicrous “welcome”.
Perhaps “encourage” is not the correct word. Maybe “made welcome, on behalf of 27 other nations who were not consulted, after they pitched up uninvited” is more appropriate.
There are plenty of sources where you can look up what she did. She effectively unilaterally abandoned the Dublin Agreement and told the world that Germany will accept as refugees whoever turns up. Of course that decision did not solely affect Germany but had profound implications for all the EU nations (and some non-EU ones) that lie between Turkey and Germany. This is now plain for see (including, very belatedly, Frau Merkel) and outrageously ridiculous agreements (which, similarly will affect the entire EU) are now being sought with Turkey to sort out the shambles.
She may not be directly responsible for the Turkey/Greece border but her utter stupidity has increased enormously the pressure on that border. As Svejk has pointed out, the vast majority of the migrants are not refugees and they are not from Syria. So the blame for the influx cannot solely be laid at the door of the politicians who are currently authorising the bombing. They are simply chancers who have jumped on the bandwagon following Frau Merkel’s ludicrous “welcome”.
// She effectively unilaterally abandoned the Dublin Agreement and told the world that Germany will accept as refugees whoever turns up. //
That is not quite how it happened. The Dublin Agreement says refugees must apply at the point of entry to the EU for asylum, and if they move, they must be returned to that country. The Agreement was broken by Hungary, not Germany.
The Hungarians did not accept any asylum requests, and instead, put the refugees on the first train to Berlin, where they then claimed asylum. The Dublin Agreement said that Hungary, as the point of entry, must take them back, but the Hungarians just flatly refused that. Merkel didn't really have any choice, and she neither encouraged nor welcomed the refugees.
It was only when refugees started to arrive in Germany, that she began to formulate the plan to pay the Turks to police the EU border.
It does seem odd that the EU would sooner give Turkey £3billion than give it to EU member states like Greece, who could do with a £3billion boost and where half the population is unemployed.
That is not quite how it happened. The Dublin Agreement says refugees must apply at the point of entry to the EU for asylum, and if they move, they must be returned to that country. The Agreement was broken by Hungary, not Germany.
The Hungarians did not accept any asylum requests, and instead, put the refugees on the first train to Berlin, where they then claimed asylum. The Dublin Agreement said that Hungary, as the point of entry, must take them back, but the Hungarians just flatly refused that. Merkel didn't really have any choice, and she neither encouraged nor welcomed the refugees.
It was only when refugees started to arrive in Germany, that she began to formulate the plan to pay the Turks to police the EU border.
It does seem odd that the EU would sooner give Turkey £3billion than give it to EU member states like Greece, who could do with a £3billion boost and where half the population is unemployed.
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/// But the recent spike in pro-Merkel outpourings has been triggered by Germany’s decision to make use of the “sovereignty clause” of the Dublin convention, allowing Syrian refugees to apply for asylum in Germany rather than being deported back to the EU country where they first arrived.///
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/// Merkel didn't really have any choice, and she neither encouraged nor welcomed the refugees. ///
You must possess a very short memory Gromit.
*** Last year, the saviour of the eurozone crisis became the architect of the mass migration crisis, opening the doors of Europe and Germany to anybody who wanted to come. And come they did — from Africa, the Middle East and Asia. They arrived by boat and on foot, and when they got to Europe they travelled through country after country to one place in particular that seemed likely to welcome them: Germany. ***
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/// Merkel didn't really have any choice, and she neither encouraged nor welcomed the refugees. ///
You must possess a very short memory Gromit.
*** Last year, the saviour of the eurozone crisis became the architect of the mass migration crisis, opening the doors of Europe and Germany to anybody who wanted to come. And come they did — from Africa, the Middle East and Asia. They arrived by boat and on foot, and when they got to Europe they travelled through country after country to one place in particular that seemed likely to welcome them: Germany. ***
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“That is not quite how it happened.”
Is it not? Your recollection of events must be a little hazy, Gromit.
“The Dublin Agreement says refugees must apply at the point of entry to the EU for asylum…”
Quite so.
“The Dublin Agreement said that Hungary, as the point of entry…”
Er…er… How did they get into Hungary, then? Did they paddle across the Black Sea, landing in Ukraine and then yomped across to Hungary from the north-east? Did they land by scheduled flight or were they dropped by parachute? I don’t think so. I think most of them landed in Greece (their point of entry into the EU) and were swiftly ushered north through the non-EU nations between there and Hungary. Hungary reacted by trying to enforce the Dublin Agreement (attempting to turn them round back towards Greece). The non-EU countries closed the gates and that was when Frau Merkel made her kind offer. The breach of the Dublin Agreement was committed by Greece when they ushered the migrants northwards. Hungary was simply asserting its rights under the Agreement.
The reason this crisis developed is because Greece failed to protect its borders. It is not for Turkey to protect the EU’s borders and their outrageous demands – now mostly being met, it seems – should not even have been up for discussion. The Schengen members should pay to patrol its external borders which it recklessly created when that agreement was signed. Germany is one of Schengen’s members and it had no right welcoming uninvited guests who would necessarily roam across mainland Europe as soon as they arrived. They should have been processed in (and most of them returned from) Greece.The Hungarians did not accept any asylum requests, and instead, put the refugees on the first train to Berlin, where they then claimed asylum. The Dublin Agreement said that Hungary, as the point of entry, must take them back, but the Hungarians just flatly refused that. Merkel didn't really have any choice, and she neither encouraged nor welcomed the refugees.
Is it not? Your recollection of events must be a little hazy, Gromit.
“The Dublin Agreement says refugees must apply at the point of entry to the EU for asylum…”
Quite so.
“The Dublin Agreement said that Hungary, as the point of entry…”
Er…er… How did they get into Hungary, then? Did they paddle across the Black Sea, landing in Ukraine and then yomped across to Hungary from the north-east? Did they land by scheduled flight or were they dropped by parachute? I don’t think so. I think most of them landed in Greece (their point of entry into the EU) and were swiftly ushered north through the non-EU nations between there and Hungary. Hungary reacted by trying to enforce the Dublin Agreement (attempting to turn them round back towards Greece). The non-EU countries closed the gates and that was when Frau Merkel made her kind offer. The breach of the Dublin Agreement was committed by Greece when they ushered the migrants northwards. Hungary was simply asserting its rights under the Agreement.
The reason this crisis developed is because Greece failed to protect its borders. It is not for Turkey to protect the EU’s borders and their outrageous demands – now mostly being met, it seems – should not even have been up for discussion. The Schengen members should pay to patrol its external borders which it recklessly created when that agreement was signed. Germany is one of Schengen’s members and it had no right welcoming uninvited guests who would necessarily roam across mainland Europe as soon as they arrived. They should have been processed in (and most of them returned from) Greece.The Hungarians did not accept any asylum requests, and instead, put the refugees on the first train to Berlin, where they then claimed asylum. The Dublin Agreement said that Hungary, as the point of entry, must take them back, but the Hungarians just flatly refused that. Merkel didn't really have any choice, and she neither encouraged nor welcomed the refugees.
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