Brexit Bad For Young Voters ?

[gordiescotland1]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-35911017
Do you think that there is something in this or is this just scaremongering

[jim360]

"Jim, I think the people who want ‘out’ are trying to do their best for you. "

Yes, I'd hope so. I don't doubt most people's motives in wanting to leave the EU. I think their decision is wrong, but I would like to think that most people have arrived at it honestly.

[naomi24]

Jim, //I would like to think that most people have arrived at it honestly. //

Why wouldn't they? Voting contrary to their honest opinion holds no benefits for anyone.

[jim360]

Well there are also people who vote for cynical reasons, no? How much that applies to this particular referendum I'm not sure -- but I suspect there are some people out there who might want to vote yes for purely self-interested reasons, or no because that helps to stick two fingers up to Cameron.

[naomi24]

Jim, I'm sure you're right. Unfortunately are a lot of very stupid people in this world.

[Ellipsis]

> vote yes for purely self-interested reasons

Yes or no, voting for purely self-interested reasons is probably what most people will be doing and in fact it's exactly what they should do. If everybody voted in their own self-interest (and, importantly, were correct in their opinion of what was in their own self-interest), we'd get the result that was in the interest of most people.

The old are a special case though, and their votes could reasonably be placed in the interests of younger people if they so wished.

[lindapalmara]

Our children's/grandchildren a job prospects have been undermined for a long time because of uncontrolled immigration and driving down wages. The fact that we cannot control oir borders also means that people can't be criminal checked, unlike , say in Australia who have an arrangement with New Zealand to allow free entry as long as they have not been convicted of crimes where they have been sentenced to more than a year in prison. They are all checked n a data base on arrival.

We have let in murderers and rapists. Another way of protecting our young people, remember Alice Gross

[Old_Geezer]

The thing is that your elected national government will have Jim. Which is about as good as you can hope for, at least until technology allows every non business as usual decision to be a referendum.

[retrocop]

lindapalmara

I think this link may be what you are referring to.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-3513524/EU-puts-Britons-risk-dangerous-criminals-Out-campaigners-say.html

[lindapalmara]

Yes retro. It's very worrying that we can't control who comes not the country.

[Svejk]

///(there is, in my lifetime at least, surely no going back///

You got that right, jim. There won't be any EU to go back to soon. I expect it will limp on long enough for us to leave.

[New Judge]

“I'm going to have, in practice, no more control over my own destiny if the UK is out of the EU (being 1 person in ~50 million)”

I think you’re missing the point, jim.

In restoring the UK’s full sovereignty (i.e. by leaving the EU) it will be simply the UK Parliament that determines matters for the UK. That Parliament will have been elected by the process which has held up fairly well for some time and will involve you and all the other UK voters. The Parliament will, we hope, act in the best interests of the UK and that will be their sole concern. If not, you (and everybody else) will have the chance to kick them into touch every five years.

By contrast, even if the EU Parliament were a proper forum (which it’s not for reasons I’ve pointed out in the past) that Parliament will not necessarily act in the UK’s best interests. There are another 27 nations to worry about, all of whom will have different priorities. I don’t have the exact figures to hand (though I presented them before on AB) but in recent years whenever the UK was opposed to a measure put before the EU Parliament the measure was passed nonetheless in around 90% of instances. So not only do you not have much influence over who represents you in the EU (and bear in mind MEPs in England, Scotland and Wales are elected by the "party list" (aka "jobs for the boys and girls") system). But once elected the UK’s MEPs are virtually powerless to prevent measures being passed that are not in the UK’s best interests unless they happen to be not in the best interests of a sizeble number of other nations too.

The majority of legislation that effects you (and your children and grandchildren since it's been mentioned) is drafted and proposed by unelected EU commisioners (MEPs cannot propose legislation themselves). It is passed in a forum where the UK has only ten percent of the voting power. If you are happy with that go right ahead and vote to remain. If that prospect disturbs you is only one alternative because no amount of "reform" will alter that basic principle.

[jourdain2]

I have 3 grandchildren. I want them to be free to decide their own fates/worlds. It is scaremongering.