Why Are The Bremainers Such Bad Losers?

[anotheoldgit]

On LBC radio last night, there was one presenter saying that those who voted Brexit had a reading and mental age of 8 year olds.

Another presenter stating that there was no country out of the EU who wishes to enter into a trade agreement with the EU, that does not also have to accept the free movement of EU citizens into their countries, quoting Norway and Switzerland.

This may be true for such countries as those two, but I think where the large trading UK is concerned we will be able to negotiate a better deal, they need us just as much as we need them.

He also stated that he hoped Parliament would reject the wishes of the those who voted in a democratic referendum, I wonder if he would be in the same frame of mind if the vote had gone the other way?

[fiction-factory]

On the other hand why would the EU allow us to trade with their members without paying anything in or accepting any of their rules.
Companies I have worked for have had a preferred suppliers list where we only deal with those who meet certain conditions re price, service, ethics, etc

The challenge for the government will be to get a deal that is achievable and the best for UK whilst managing the expectations of the many who think that we can get all the good stuff whilst stopping free movement, paying anything in and complying with certain rules

[Old_Geezer]

Because it benefits them of course. Due to the trade balance, more than it does us. It's not like they own a business and we have to pay as customer and accept their rules. It's a mutually agreed win/win both sides should be looking for.

[fiction-factory]

Maybe Germany, France, Holland, Ireland, Spain, etcwill all decide to pull out on the same basis then if it's so easy and everyone will just trade as normal without anyone having to pay in or accept free movement.
That could be a good outcome actually

[bazwillrun]

"and you need a valid email address and UK postcode "

Hmmm...i take it you know how easy they are to get...legit or not

[jim360]

I don't think either of us knows how legitimate the signatures are or not. I know several people who have signed it personally, so I can vouch for maybe a dozen or so of the 3.16 million. I highly doubt that it's mostly spam accounts from fake emails. People do feel strongly about this -- after all, the future of our country is on the line.

[bazwillrun]

@fiction -factory

exactly....just as it was before

the eussr anti-competetive rules and red tap far outweigh any so called benefits they claim of membership...we and the others could carry on trading as before and getting the best deals with other business european and globally without the eussr meddling....

[fiction-factory]

It all seems a bit pointless to me. Couldn't someone then do a counter petition to ignore any requests for a rerun- that could easily get more signatures.

[bazwillrun]

"People do feel strongly about this -- after all, the future of our country is on the line."

yup and the majority voted to quit the eussr, but unforunately those that claim to want democracy the most dont want to abide by its rules and decisions...

[bazwillrun]

I didnt want Phony B liar and his wrecking crew in charge but when they did get the keys, like a lot of people apart from a few days of whinging about it etc just got on with things, didnt throw all the toys out of the pram and "demand" a re run etc etc...and that was also the future of the country at stake, look at the damage him and his wrecking crew did, not to mention nearly kicking off WWIII

[Svejk]

I didn't win the lottery last night. ;-(
Could someone start a petition for them to keep re-drawing the numbers until mine come out? tia.

[jd_1984]

I think that there is a feeling that this could be the most costly passive aggressive act in history and that some of those voting OUT are nostalgic, foreigner fearing numpties - but that's just one opinion...!

[Svejk]

The opinion of an arrogant half-wit. But that's just my opinion.

[Berniecuddles2]

getting sick of all this.. the vote was out... move on...petitons for another referendum ..how many shall we have a 100 jeez...look forwards for gods sake lets get the "GREAT" back in this great country we live in !!

[jim360]

Just for the record, I checked the data on the petition in question and at the latest update there have been 3,147,000 total signatures, of which 3,026,000 are registered to the United Kingdom. So yes, the numbers appear to be boosted somewhat by external numbers, but at the level of less than 10% as I'd estimated earlier (indeed, around 100,000 signatures were just removed).

[jd_1984]

There were always going to be humble winners, Bad winners "Told you so's", Know it all's, Bad losers and those that accepted they were on the losing side but still have hope for a bright future (I would say that's most who voted to Remain). It was an emotive issue that divided families and a fall out was inevitable. I absolutely felt we should have remained but that ship has sailed.

[New Judge]

“Another presenter stating that there was no country out of the EU who wishes to enter into a trade agreement with the EU, that does not also have to accept the free movement of EU citizens into their countries, quoting Norway and Switzerland.”

I take it the presenter neglected those tiny insignificant provinces such as er…the USA (trade negotiations ongoing for ten years, nowhere near completion) and Canada (ongoing for over five years, ditto). I assume “free movement” is the stumbling block in both cases.

“It is possible we could get into the EEA without agreeing to Schengen, but we are in a poor negotiating position.
EEA members pay EU membership fees (without any rebate), but do not have any say in policy or voting rights.”

Please read my multitudinous posts on the “Norwegian Model” and the EEA which I posted during the campaign, Gromit. It ain’t going to happen.

“The European Economic Area is seen as the back door into the single market,”

The EEA was designed as a “waiting room” for full EU membership. Norway’s electorate failed to give its government permission to join; Iceland’s government wisely withdrew its application. (Don’t know much about Liechtenstein. Drove through it once but dipped my headlights, so missed it).

“The UK, at least briefly, slipped back to 6th on Friday.”
Yes, very briefly. But that still left 186 (or thereabouts) below us.

"Doesn't mean anything unless it passes the number of votes cast on Thursday though."

Doesn't mean anything even then. The vote was on Thursday at the polling booths, not subsequently online. It is quite obvious that the 3 million "signatures" are all Remainers and they had their chance to influence the government on Thursday. Quite simply, they failed and there are no second chances.

[-SharonA-]

//Why Are The Bremainers Such Bad Losers?//

Maybe it is because we can see the bigger picture!!!!

[Berniecuddles2]

which is ??

[Jackdaw33]

We have been told what the bigger picture is: War, Famine, Pestilence, Death. Don't say you weren't warned.

[jim360]

Perhaps I should just say that it becomes harder to ignore a petition if it has more support than the position it's complaining against. I can't see that happening. But the result on Thursday is, to dust off an old cliche, only the beginning.