19 People Killed In Japan

[wolf63]

Japan knife attack: 19 killed at care centre in Japan

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36890655

[murraymints]

how terribly sad

[waterboatman]

What is the matter with these people.

[ummmm]

Awful but I wonder could it be avoided.

[EDDIE51]

^Little more that could be done ummm, as it says in the report ''Japan is one of the safest countries in the world, strict gun laws mean virtually no one has access to a gun'' . It also says this is the worst attack for decades.

[ummmm]

They knew his thoughts back in February. They knew he wanted to make disabled people disappear. He was clearly mentally ill and they only hospitalised him for 2 weeks.

[Old_Geezer]

I can only remind myself that it's a big world and these sort of attacks must be happening regularly all the time; that it is the choice of news reported that must be making it seem as if the world has suddenly gone mad. Another sad story of individual violent insanity.

[EDDIE51]

Waterboatman, the man is mentally ill, he had threatened to do it and been locked up for a time.But he was deemed safe and released. After the killing he immediately drove himself to the police station , handed himself in and admitted the crime. Definitely a 'nut case'!
I suppose we will now see demands that anyone who shows any sign of mental illness is locked up for life, hardly a practical solution!

[ummmm]

But 2 weeks is not enough time to assess someones state of mind.

[EDDIE51]

^ Very hard for a 'layman' to know Ummmm. It does seem a short time but can you start implementing compulsory detention times for mental illness?
I think not as it varies so much and is so hard to access. I assume Japan is the same as here where mental health treatment has been cut back far more than other health care.

[ummmm]

Well I used to work in mental health and if they saw fit to detain him then they should have kept him in for an appropriate assessment...and two weeks isn't long enough.

[wolf63]

Many people struggle with mental health problems and the majority are no threat to other people. They are more likely to commit suicide.

As my psychiatrist told me - nobody is normal.

I'm off back to bed until later.

[TWR]

Ummmm, when supporting persons with L.D. you can lose it, that should have been noticed by other members of staff, but it's the same old story throughout the world I think, not enough training, not enough staff, not managed correctly, not enough money, while things are going well turn a blind eye, that's throughout the world in my opinion.

[youngmafbog]

Can you start implementing compulsory detention for mental illness? Yes and no. To combat the growing right-on liberalism in this sector I truly believe it should go before judges. No a great courtroom affair but a panel who 4-eyes each release approval by doctors. Admittedly right-on liberalism has also penetrated the judiciary but not all of them.

Clearly, even a layman can see 2 weeks is insufficient for someone threatening to kill!

[bhg481]

Eddie //I suppose we will now see demands that anyone who shows any sign of mental illness is locked up for life, hardly a practical solution! //

I agree, but just suppose that the person who signed to say that he was fit to release back into society was held personally responsible for any such actions; I suspect that there would be far fewer premature releases.

[Peter Pedant]

// To combat the growing right-on liberalism in this sector I truly believe it should go before judges.//

Hmm the more I see of judges the better I like dogs ... ( Mme de Maintenon - some words changed )

judges are nt psychiatrists - involuntary detention ( sectioning ) was difficult in the seventies and virtually impossible nowadays. Instead we have the policy of ( lack of ) care-in-the-community. Italy even made it unlawful to admit someone to a psychiatric hospital ....
sometimes the policy worked and sometimes it didnt

[Old_Geezer]

"I agree, but just suppose that the person who signed to say that he was fit to release back into society was held personally responsible for any such actions; I suspect that there would be far fewer premature releases."

Of course; because there would be next to no doctors going into the profession to make the judgement call.

[Old_Geezer]

Alternately they all say no release having given the issue zero consideration.

[EDDIE51]

BHG481 No doctor or psychiatrist can ever possibly say that someone who has had an episode of mental illness will never have a relapse or is 100% safe to be released. It is just not possible.
They can only give an opinion. Mental illness covers a huge range of problems and time scales, it can last from hours to a life time.