JTH, no idea who TGT is but anyway..."I am as patriotic as you are but don't view acknowledging deficiencies (in any field) as running the country down. " read my post at 10:27, I agree, but that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the traditional anti British approach of trying to find reasons why we did well, eg the opposition were unusually weak, we must have been on drugs, we got a lucky break from the officials, if the martians had turned up we'd not have done so well ...yada yada, we get it all the time, instead of celebrating success there is a contingent who try and find reasons why it's somehow invalid.