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Files Reveal Approved School Drug Trial Plans In 1960S
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I think this is shocking....how many more cases like this are waiting to be discovered ?
I think this is shocking....how many more cases like this are waiting to be discovered ?
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Easy to sit back in 2016 and castigate the practices of 50 years ago.
“In a document dating from late 1967, Dr JR Hawkings, a psychiatrist attached to Richmond Hill, wrote to the Home Office asking permission to conduct a drug trial on boys who were "impulsive, explosive, irritable, restless and aggressive".”
These “children” were males aged 15 plus. They had been sent to “approved schools” because of their uncontrollable behaviour. Faced with a building full of such males who were "impulsive, explosive, irritable, restless and aggressive" drastic measures were needed. They did not have the benefit of armies of social workers, psychiatrists, do-gooders and the like all trying to excuse their behaviour. Their brief was to contain the miscreants and keep to a minimum any damage they might inflict on themselves and, more importantly, others around them.
Today such “children” would be referred by the courts to the Youth Offending Teams that proliferate across the land. They might be “asked” to attend a special “education” establishment which is nothing of the sort but merely a location where they might be confined for an hour or two now and then.
This would ensure their smooth and uninterrupted transition from the so-called Youth Justice System to the adult version.
“In a document dating from late 1967, Dr JR Hawkings, a psychiatrist attached to Richmond Hill, wrote to the Home Office asking permission to conduct a drug trial on boys who were "impulsive, explosive, irritable, restless and aggressive".”
These “children” were males aged 15 plus. They had been sent to “approved schools” because of their uncontrollable behaviour. Faced with a building full of such males who were "impulsive, explosive, irritable, restless and aggressive" drastic measures were needed. They did not have the benefit of armies of social workers, psychiatrists, do-gooders and the like all trying to excuse their behaviour. Their brief was to contain the miscreants and keep to a minimum any damage they might inflict on themselves and, more importantly, others around them.
Today such “children” would be referred by the courts to the Youth Offending Teams that proliferate across the land. They might be “asked” to attend a special “education” establishment which is nothing of the sort but merely a location where they might be confined for an hour or two now and then.
This would ensure their smooth and uninterrupted transition from the so-called Youth Justice System to the adult version.
NJ...whether these boys should have been in an Approved School is not the point.
I suspect that they probably were ! But to subject them to a drugs trial, without permission from them or their families was and is wrong, whether it was 50 years ago or today. No one knows what the long term effect of using such powerful drugs on people of that age was and is, and I suspect that no effort was made to follow them into their adult lives.
But when you consider that orphans were still being forcibly sent to the Colonies as late as the late 60's, for purely economic reasons, I suppose a few dozen children being force-fed powerful, anti-psychotic drugs doesn't really matter.
I suspect that they probably were ! But to subject them to a drugs trial, without permission from them or their families was and is wrong, whether it was 50 years ago or today. No one knows what the long term effect of using such powerful drugs on people of that age was and is, and I suspect that no effort was made to follow them into their adult lives.
But when you consider that orphans were still being forcibly sent to the Colonies as late as the late 60's, for purely economic reasons, I suppose a few dozen children being force-fed powerful, anti-psychotic drugs doesn't really matter.
yMF - in an amazing bout of temporary sanity - has got it
we shouldnt be judging according to 2016 criteria
in the sixties the local doctor attending an approved school wouldnt have dreamt of taking consent from the child. - the age of majority wasnt reduced until 1969. consent came from .... whoever was in statu pupillaris -so Dr Hawker was acting appropriately according to the then rules.
in an adult prison, you ccould not administer any medication to a prisoner without the consent of a judge.... and the result was the prisons were full of unmedicated schozophrenics who were as mad as hell ....
am I really the only person to remember what it was like in the Good Old days?
presumably the trial was abandoned as it .... didnt work.
we shouldnt be judging according to 2016 criteria
in the sixties the local doctor attending an approved school wouldnt have dreamt of taking consent from the child. - the age of majority wasnt reduced until 1969. consent came from .... whoever was in statu pupillaris -so Dr Hawker was acting appropriately according to the then rules.
in an adult prison, you ccould not administer any medication to a prisoner without the consent of a judge.... and the result was the prisons were full of unmedicated schozophrenics who were as mad as hell ....
am I really the only person to remember what it was like in the Good Old days?
presumably the trial was abandoned as it .... didnt work.
" I suppose a few dozen children being force-fed powerful, anti-psychotic drugs doesn't really matter. "
They were not "powerful anti-psychotic drugs" Mikey. They were anti-convulsive drugs widely used to treat epilepsy. All they wanted to do was calm the little beggars down a bit. Different times, different times.
They were not "powerful anti-psychotic drugs" Mikey. They were anti-convulsive drugs widely used to treat epilepsy. All they wanted to do was calm the little beggars down a bit. Different times, different times.
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NJ....here is the Wiki entry for Haloperidol ::::
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Plenty of nasty side effects. I am not sure why you are trying to defend the use of this drug ?
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Plenty of nasty side effects. I am not sure why you are trying to defend the use of this drug ?
This happened in the 1920’s
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and ethical rules weren’t formulated till the 70’s
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and ethical rules weren’t formulated till the 70’s
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I’m not defending the use of the drug, Mikey. I’m simply pointing out that it was 50 years ago and attitudes and practices change. Witches used to be burnt at the stake, people used to be hanged for theft of a sheep, homosexuals used to be locked up for being gay and disruptive uncontrollable children used to be drugged. We don’t do any of that any more but at the time none of those practices was deemed outrageous. Now we do.
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